the end of the strelka affair

[Nid Hogge]

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... highlight=

Told you, 7 months ago


So much for that "no way you could disassemble it" now, eh Dann?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... ht=strelka

I think that the best course to take at this point is to see what those authors have to say.

HAH.

[Orlov]

Pretty logical, isn't it?

No, really not. You claim, that Rybka ~ Fruit, because Strelka ~ Rybka, and Strelka ~ Fruit and now you want evidence that Rybka ~ Strelka...

Alex

Rajlich said that Strelka's code is his own code and it will release as his engine, but now well known that strelka's codes is very fruitly. Maybe Rajlich must also public fruit 2.1 as his own engine

[Uri Blass]

Pretty logical, isn't it?

No, really not. You claim, that Rybka ~ Fruit, because Strelka ~ Rybka, and Strelka ~ Fruit and now you want evidence that Rybka ~ Strelka...

Alex

Rajlich said that Strelka's code is his own code and it will release as his engine, but now well known that strelka's codes is very fruitly. Maybe Rajlich must also public fruit 2.1 as his own engine

No

It is not well known but only an opinion.
Not everybody considers strelka's code as *very* fruitly

Uri

[LarsA]

I think it is pretty obvious what has happened, after looking at the sources.

Fruit is a clone of Rybka!!!!

This made me think of this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FhNTaGmD0D4

[Rolf]

Vas has now stated more clearly how strelka is a clone and he is claiming it as his own.

Instead of giving statements it's better Rajlich give some evidence, I would say.

Wrong! In our civilized world someone with a real name and a known vita is a million times more trustable than an anonymous Russian who intentionally disrespects the ethics of our computerchess field. That is valid for all kind of opinion holders who support thieves and all sorts of crooks. Note well that this figure Osipov already commited blackmail * before he now published the sourcecode. Will you want to support blackmailers?? Go ahead. This is a free world. But dont believe for a second that you are being taken for serious in future (in such an improbable case when you should support wrongdoings of any kind).

Footnote to *:

The blackmail was the following. Osipov urged Vas to grant him the "right" to go commercial with "his" Strelka. Vas refused it and now Osopov published the source. If that event is honest and legal and ethically decent then oh my goodness!

[ozziejoe]

I agree rolf. The behavior of this person makes me sick. I am sure Vas is barely eeking out a living with rybka, and it is pretty bad that someone would tyr and blackmail him and threaten this small living

[Rolf]

I agree rolf. The behavior of this person makes me sick. I am sure Vas is barely eeking out a living with rybka, and it is pretty bad that someone would tyr and blackmail him and threaten this small living

Dont praise me, I'm as schizo as everybody else. I own and use Fritz, although I know that all the amateurs with Crafty and many more progs are the base for the commercial products, while they dont give anything. I use it because of the synergetic advantage in the ChessBase database environment. But this year I bought Rybka 2.3.2a on disc, only to use it as UCI engine and more important to support the actually best programmer in chess. Hopefully he may be successful in letting forget the evil politics of the ICGA (formerly ICCA); see the scandals in 1996 with East-Timor and still the WCCC in Jakarta and recently the "match" in Elista with the ignoring of Rybka and the allowance of a Toga cluster at Paderborn now. Many more irregularities as the one in Graz. It's a too long list with always the same responsibles.

Let me make a clear proposal:

We all should discriminate the anonymous Osipov and his many supporters on the internet who are basically propagating the wellness of thievery and blackmailing. It's really time to take a stand before it's too late. Principiis obsta!

Please reflect Cicero:

Maioribus praesidiis et copiis oppugnatur res publica quam defenditur, propterea quod audaces homines et perditi nutu impelluntur et ipsi etiam sponte sua contra rem publicam incitantur; boni nescio quo modo tardiores sunt et principiis rerum neglectis ad extremum ipsa denique necessitate excitantur, ita ut non numquam cunctatione ac tarditate, dum otium volunt etiam sine dignitate retinere, ipsi utrumque amittant. Propugnatores autem rei publicae qui esse voluerunt, si leviores sunt, desciscunt, si timidiores, desunt: permanent illi soli atque omnia rei publicae causa perferunt, qui sunt tales, qualis pater tuus, M. Scaure, fuit, qui a C. Graccho usque ad Q. Varium seditionis omnibus restitit, quem numquam ulla vis, ullae minae, ulla invidia labefecit.

[Ovyron]

The blackmail was the following. Osipov urged Vas to grant him the "right" to go commercial with "his" Strelka. Vas refused it and now Osopov published the source.

He also threatened with disassembling Rybka 2.3.2a and releasing the source code...

[Andrej Sidorov]

anonymous Russian

How do you know that Yuri Osipov is not real name? Can you prove it?

[Tony Thomas]

I think it is pretty obvious what has happened, after looking at the sources.

Fruit is a clone of Rybka!!!!

So far this is the most logical explanation.