[d]8/5p2/8/8/p7/rpK4p/1p3ppr/bQ1N1bqk w - - 0 1
Quite easy for humans, but it seems engines don't find the right plan.
The idea ofcourse is to put black into zugzwang, by white king triangulation.
Only problem with K-triangulation is that the wK cannot step on white-squares due to delivery of check by B followed by QxN and black wins.
So the only square for safe triangulation is a8.
Hence 1. Kb4 Ra2 2. Ka5 Ra3 3. Kb6 Ra2 4. Ka7 Ra3 5. Kb8 Ra2 6. Ka8 Ra3 7. Ka7 Ra2 8. Kb6 Ra3 9. Ka5 Ra2 10. Kb4 f6 11. Ka5 Ra3 12. Kb6 Ra2 13. Ka7 Ra3 14. Ka8 Ra2 15. Kb8 Ra3 16. Ka7 Ra2 17. Kb6 Ra3 18. Ka5 Ra2 19. Kb4 f5 * +-
White continues the a8-maneuver until black is forced to play the f1-B and white delivers mate with Nxf2#.
Test position -strategic
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Re: Test position -strategic
Why is Black forced to move the f-pawn? Couldn't Black just repeat the position 3 times by simply moving the rook back and forth from a2 to a3 and a3 to a2?
Do not see the forced win for White.
Do not see the forced win for White.
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Re: Test position -strategic M47
After the wK performs triangulation at a8 and returns to b4, the R cannot play Ra3 because of Kxa3, and it will be a faster mate this time because black's all other moves will be the f-pawn when the R is gone. There will be no need for a8 maneuver if Rook is gone.
Position is a forced mate in 47.
Position is a forced mate in 47.
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Re: Test position -strategic
In our brains there is only software (better or worse);MikeGL wrote:[d]8/5p2/8/8/p7/rpK4p/1p3ppr/bQ1N1bqk w - - 0 1
Quite easy for humans, but it seems engines don't find the right plan.
The idea ofcourse is to put black into zugzwang, by white king triangulation.
Only problem with K-triangulation is that the wK cannot step on white-squares due to delivery of check by B followed by QxN and black wins.
So the only square for safe triangulation is a8.
Hence 1. Kb4 Ra2 2. Ka5 Ra3 3. Kb6 Ra2 4. Ka7 Ra3 5. Kb8 Ra2 6. Ka8 Ra3 7. Ka7 Ra2 8. Kb6 Ra3 9. Ka5 Ra2 10. Kb4 f6 11. Ka5 Ra3 12. Kb6 Ra2 13. Ka7 Ra3 14. Ka8 Ra2 15. Kb8 Ra3 16. Ka7 Ra2 17. Kb6 Ra3 18. Ka5 Ra2 19. Kb4 f5 * +-
White continues the a8-maneuver until black is forced to play the f1-B and white delivers mate with Nxf2#.
The human right plan aroses by alpha-beta search like in engines.
I try to prove it.

Look, Sting-sf-3 needs 23 seconds (dual core) to solve it (find the right plan) !!!
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