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Norman Schmidt



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PostPost subject: Re: 4th Mini tour 70min 1core started...    Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:26 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

rvida wrote:
kranium wrote:

so i'm really surprised (and disappointed) to see you defending Houdini, which appears to be anything but an 'original engine',
and which is in fact is illegal according to the terms of the GPL...

Hi Norman,

I'm afraid you misunderstood. When I wrote "it is not a stolen work of others", I was referring to Ippolit, not Houdini.

I am very well aware of Houdini's origin, I have no doubt it began its life as Robbolito. But I think the PD vs. GPL case is not entirely clear. To prove a violation of GPL, you need to find substantial pieces of code in Houdini which are also present in the GPL version of Robbolito but not in the PD version. IMO the %I64u stuff and the use of timeBeginPeriod() and timeEndPeriod() functions are not enough.


there is more of course...
for ex: show_banner() function, just as i wrote it...
the order of main () functions calls matches exactly...(very different than in ippolit_0080 and subsequent wikispaces releases)
the exact match and order of function calls corresponds exactly...
etc.

if in doubt, please read this very closely (starting with KLO's code comparisons on page 2):
http://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1647
all (none) of which can not be mere 'coincidence'

but i'm not at all interested in attempting to 'prove' plagiarism in a court of law...
that should be that task of FSF, IMO...
and what already exists and has been presented is compelling,
and more than enough to completely convince me and many others.

whether or not there's actually enough to convince a court of law doesn't concern me,
and i'm certainly not going to waste my time/energy to provide more...
it's clear no one really cares anyway.

(just like the fact that many don't care about Rybka's origins)
isn't accountability and forthrightness concerning these chess programs (especially commercial ones) important?

why then are they being sold and supported by users here?
and tested/promoted by the major rating groups?
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