$8000 to spend. 2 x E5-2687W, 16 real cores, 64Gb RAM

[Dan Honeycutt]

Because whoever thought up Windows 7 should be chained to a stovepipe in hell.

You must be snakebit, George. I've had good luck with Win 7.

Best
Dan H.

[Dragulic]

I am waiting for Ivy Bridge,end of year and hope intel will allow O/C with those cpu's.

For a clarification, could you explain that you mean XEON based on Ivy Bridge, and not standard Ivy Bridge which is detailed here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Bridge ... tecture%29 ?

I am asking this because in that table "K" = Unlocked Multiplier, and there are two Ivy Bridge "K" CPUs already announced, including the 4 core i7-3770K which is 3.5GHz/3.9GHz(Turbo), probably o/c to 4.8GHz. There are some typos in that table, better is http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2011/2011 ... rt_II.html

But I and (I think, am I correct) you are only interested in dual socket, which means XEON. And for this, XEON 22nm, there is no announcement at all?

[geots]

Because whoever thought up Windows 7 should be chained to a stovepipe in hell.

You must be snakebit, George. I've had good luck with Win 7.

Best
Dan H.

Dan, I gotta get some sleep, so it will be a while before I am back- but I would love to know about the vision issue. I was saying it gives you 100%, 125, and 150 as overall vision settings. Default is 100%. I got as good vision as one could want, and it would take a photog's loupe to read anything set on 100%. But if I don't leave it there, Chessmaster won't fit right- it cuts off the top. I have the resolution at maximum for my monitor- the one recommended. I have tried changing it, however and the letter size- anything trying to find a good combination. All I can say is I had my old 1cpu xp box running on this new monitor, which is a 23" Dell WS, and of course there the resolution was different- but I had not one problem. I may try my old, basically square LCD 19" and see if that helps. If I could just get what I see on the screen to look right- I don't mind trying to solve any other Win7 issues. It has got me pulling my friggin hair out.

There is not one doubt in my mind- if you were sitting here next to me- looking at what I see- you could fix the problem. There is just no way to help me in talking back and forth in threads. I gotta see if I can find a hand full of xanax.


Best,

george

[acase]

First, may I introduce myself to this learned and distinguished forum? I am a research engineer with limited brains but still more limited money to spend on my hobby of Chess and Go.

So to my question. For chess research and other, gp uses, I am now ready to spend $8k on a Windows PC, now. I plan (all parts are shipping already):

$8000 doesn't sound very "limited" to me (especially for chess). Perhaps you need something that powerful for your engineering work.

[Terry McCracken]

First, may I introduce myself to this learned and distinguished forum? I am a research engineer with limited brains but still more limited money to spend on my hobby of Chess and Go.

So to my question. For chess research and other, gp uses, I am now ready to spend $8k on a Windows PC, now. I plan (all parts are shipping already):

2 x E5-2687W Intel Sandy Bridge Xeon S2011 CPUs. 8 Real Cores per CPU. Here http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/xeo ... ,3149.html is the review. It will run all 16 cores at 3.4GHz in turbo mode, even before overclocking. Today many top engines are not so good above 4 cores, but soon this can change.

64Gb Corsair PC3-12800 (1.6GHz) DDR3 Quad Channel RAM (4 x 16Gb). This gives 4Gb per real core. Ideal?

SuperMicro X9DAi motherboard with SATA III 6Gb/s, PCI-E 3.0. Here http://www.supermicro.com/products/moth ... /X9DAi.cfm are the specification.

SSD HDD for fast EGTB access, capacity to be researched but I think 0.3Tb is enough, I can move needed EGTBs from main HDD as needed. Big SSD/array are still too expensive.

Top-end air-cooling. Or?

Rest can be obvious, Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate (8 will be bad, microsoft alternation good-bad-good-bad-), very fine 0.9kW modular PSU, some cr-p graphics card for kids, 3Gb 120Hz Barracuda HDD...

I would like commentaries, critiques and recommendations. E5-2687W looks like the real winner, but you may have more information? AMD quad CPU each 4/6-core? What chess and overclock speeds can I expect? Is there a better mobo for overclocking? Is RAM chosen a bottleneck? Other understanding error by me? Anyone else already got similar system? I can see one kburcham was considering this: http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41204. A Sedat Canbaz benchmark yet? Help!

TU, friends.......

Glad to hear that microsoft alternates good-bad-good-bad! If that is true, then the next operating system is destined to be the best thing to ever hit the face of the earth.

Because whoever thought up Windows 7 should be chained to a stovepipe in hell.

Win 8 is Win 7 with a different interface.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Glad to hear that microsoft alternates good-bad-good-bad!

Yes, but you may be out of sync? Good/Bad are relative.

Taking mainstream (so, no NT or 2000):
Win 1/2/3... All bad, did not even work
Win 3.1/3.11... Good
Win 95... Bad
Win 98/SE... Good
Win Millennium... Bad
Win XP... Good
Win Vista... Bad
Win 7... Good, surely much better then Vista
Win 8...

Yep,it was about time for a bad release

[Terry McCracken]

Glad to hear that microsoft alternates good-bad-good-bad!

Yes, but you may be out of sync? Good/Bad are relative.

Taking mainstream (so, no NT or 2000):
Win 1/2/3... All bad, did not even work
Win 3.1/3.11... Good
Win 95... Bad
Win 98/SE... Good
Win Millennium... Bad
Win XP... Good
Win Vista... Bad
Win 7... Good, surely much better then Vista
Win 8...

Yep,it was about time for a bad release

They're like Star Trek movies.

[Dragulic]

$8000 doesn't sound very "limited"

It is very limited, relative to size of one worldwide derivatives market, sized in 2010 @ $1,200,000,000,000,000.00 (one thousand two hundred trillion dollars). http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/06/09/ ... market-gdp

In crazy world, only Go make sense. Chess is more sinister then Go, but still make more sense then world.

Win 8 is Win 7 with a different interface.

Then, it can be Win 8 is good. Next one will be bad.

But, where this leaves my quest for the chess research rig? 2 x X5690 or 2 x X5680 will defeat all released unoverclockable E5s.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Glad to hear that microsoft alternates good-bad-good-bad!

Yes, but you may be out of sync? Good/Bad are relative.

Taking mainstream (so, no NT or 2000):
Win 1/2/3... All bad, did not even work
Win 3.1/3.11... Good
Win 95... Bad
Win 98/SE... Good
Win Millennium... Bad
Win XP... Good
Win Vista... Bad
Win 7... Good, surely much better then Vista
Win 8...

Yep,it was about time for a bad release

They're like Star Trek movies.

Absolutely Terry

[Terry McCracken]

$8000 doesn't sound very "limited"

It is very limited, relative to size of one worldwide derivatives market, sized in 2010 @ $1,200,000,000,000,000.00 (one thousand two hundred trillion dollars). http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/06/09/ ... market-gdp

In crazy world, only Go make sense. Chess is more sinister then Go, but still make more sense then world.

Win 8 is Win 7 with a different interface.

Then, it can be Win 8 is good. Next one will be bad.

But, where this leaves my quest for the chess research rig? 2 x X5690 or 2 x X5680 will defeat all released unoverclockable E5s.

It is, but...for most of us the interface sucks! How to ruin a good thing?