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Can Komodo give knight odds in chess960 to a master?
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What will Komodo score giving N odds in 960 to a master?
0 or .5 out of 4.
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
1 out of 4.
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
1.5 out of 4.
16%
 16%  [ 4 ]
2 out of 4.
24%
 24%  [ 6 ]
2.5 out of 4.
20%
 20%  [ 5 ]
3 out of 4.
24%
 24%  [ 6 ]
3.5 or 4 out of 4.
16%
 16%  [ 4 ]
Voted : 25
Total Votes : 25
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Kai Laskos



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PostPost subject: Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in chess960 to a master?    Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:36 am Reply to topic Reply with quote

lkaufman wrote:
Laskos wrote:


At Knight-Odds the difference is very large too:

Chess960 Knight-Odds against Fruit
Komodo Contempt=50:
82.0%


Normal Chess Knight-Odds against Fruit:
Komodo Contempt=50:
65.0%


Based on your results, we can estimate that elo differences between engines increase by a bit under 20% playing chess 960. If this applies to the upcoming match, it would make Komodo a modest favorite. But if chess 960 is especially difficult for humans (compared to comparable - level engines), perhaps 3 to 1 would be a good guess. We'll see.

I played more respectable Knight-Odds matches at 10''+0.1'':

Chess960 Knight-Odds against Fruit
Komodo Contempt=50:
74.9%


Normal Chess Knight-Odds against Fruit:
Komodo Contempt=50:
52.0%


Almost 200 ELO points gap difference, which might prove decisive, especially considering that 960 is hard for humans.

And Contempt=50 again came better than Contempt=100. All in all, in my view Komodo is the favorite now. About Contempt, I cannot really gauge what in would need to be against a human at LTC, I would go for 100 against the intention of the human to draw the games. Fruit doesn't use this intention. From the old matches, I was bothered that human was able to draw in the early middlegame because of the too low Contempt of Komodo.

I am keeping mine 3.0/4 prediction for Komodo Very Happy.
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