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Is modern chess software lossless or lossy?
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PostPost subject: Re: Is modern chess software lossless or lossy?    Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:03 am Reply to topic Reply with quote

An engine has some tuned parameters in the search and in the evaluation that make it find lines of play following his own "personality", if you let me tell it this way.

This is intrinsically bad, as sometimes this "personality" will miss stuff because something fixed (the parameters), even if those parameters are not completelly fixed and have some range of tolerance, so something fixed is not intelligent. Is like someone that plays always attacking chess, you cannot expect that him will outplay positionally often his rivals even if the position was favorable to it.

So the queen value for example at 950 cp, even if is modified with mobility, open files, attacking stuff and others, will have a bad value if it's in a1 square with 0 mobility. The current engines are not able to understand this, nor will be, as you need much more parameters and code to account for other possibilities like this one.

Hence someone/something more intelligent, less reactive and more analytical, will overcome his rivals, and AlphaZero is supposed to be there.
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Is modern chess software lossless or lossy? Meni Rosenfeld Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:39 pm
      Re: Is modern chess software lossless or lossy? Ronald de Man Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:45 am
            Re: Is modern chess software lossless or lossy? Carl Bicknell Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:17 am
                  Re: Is modern chess software lossless or lossy? Ronald de Man Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:04 pm
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                              Re: Is modern chess software lossless or lossy? Ronald de Man Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:48 pm
            Re: Is modern chess software lossless or lossy? Fulvio Benini Thu Jan 11, 2018 4:04 pm
                  Re: Is modern chess software lossless or lossy? daniel jose Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:24 pm
                        Re: Is modern chess software lossless or lossy? Ronald de Man Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:34 pm
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