Oh, I am sure it is worth some Elo. But the issue was whether it is an absolute necessity to do this to get above 2200 Elo CCRL. And whether it thus can be deduced that all engines rated above this use that technique.Viz wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2024 7:24 amLMR is extremely heavily based on move ordering, not only it reduces more for latter moves, but it also takes into account history sum to reduce less/more in basically any strong engine - and this is worth quite a chunk of elo, in fact, continuation histories are worth more in LMR reductions than they are worth in move ordering itself in Stockfish, for example.
I know for sure that this is not the case. Joker is rated around 2300 on CCRL, and it doesn't use history at all, and reduces by a fixed amount of 1 ply. Considering that it would probably gain significant Elo if it would have King Safety or Mobility in its evaluation (which it doesn't have either), the 'fixed-LMR Elo barrier' should ly significantly higher.
IIRC Fruit 2.1 also only reduces late moves by only a single ply, and it is rated around 2700. It is true that it exempts a few moves with the highest history score from this reduction, but I doubt whether it would really lose much Elo on not doing that.