Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

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Steve B

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by Steve B »

JonP01 wrote:
Steve B wrote:i have received a reply from the seller

he states and i quote:

"the computer is very good working"


i then emailed him to please send me a photo of the screen showing the Pieces and he has further replied and again i quote...

"hi i have in the time no camera"

Yeh, right. So we have a seller with a total of 1542 feedbacks, a picture (taken by a camera) of the unit for sale, but they won't take a picture of it working :roll:

Well, in any case, I see Rantan is at it again. I guess he does not know that Steve is bidding and that Steve always wins his auctions.
Rantan will be easily swept aside in the final moments of the auction
he rarely wins anything that gets even remotely expensive

no my competition will come from the "usual suspects" who are always bidding against me for rare items and always losing to me
at the end of the day..this just means i must pay more for something like this then its worth
personally if these guys had a different hobby then chess computer collecting it would suit me just fine
i would still win the same computers and have several thousand doallrs more in the bank

you would think these guys would have learned by now that i NEVER lose an auction for something i REALLY want
but still..they bid and make me pay more

a fact that i of course Mark And Remember Regards
Steve
Steve B

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by Steve B »

JonP01 wrote:
Steve B wrote:i have received a reply from the seller

he states and i quote:

"the computer is very good working"


i then emailed him to please send me a photo of the screen showing the Pieces and he has further replied and again i quote...

"hi i have in the time no camera"

Yeh, right. So we have a seller with a total of 1542 feedbacks, a picture (taken by a camera) of the unit for sale, but they won't take a picture of it working :roll:

Well, in any case, I see Rantan is at it again. I guess he does not know that Steve is bidding and that Steve always wins his auctions.

just to box the seller in a bit more and remove some wiggle room from him i have sent him the following question...

hi
thank you for your replies
since you do not have a camera to show that the pieces are still visible ...

where you able to play a chess game on the computer?
it could play a complete game?
thanks


now i realize of course he can just say...YES...
and when i receive it he can just say it got damaged in shipping
Still..perhaps he will not want to just outright lie at this point


Stay Tuned Regards
Steve
klute

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by klute »

Hi Steve

While I wait for Advanced Star Chess to decide its 9th move as White against Primo in a Reversed Benoni, I'd say that the Savant II might not go for very much. Perhaps there might be collectors prepared to pay over the odds for a non-working unit, but I imagine there may be others like myself who have a policy of acquiring only working units for their collection. I found the pain of having a non-working Savant Royale too much to bear as you know, so sent it and a Savant I to a good home. I used to spend a fair bit of time with the innards of Savants and I'd be flabbergasted if the eBay one wasn't as dead as a dodo. I still remember the day my Royale died! :(

Advanced Star Chess plays 9. Na3 Regards

Cameron
Steve B

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by Steve B »

klute wrote:Hi Steve

While I wait for Advanced Star Chess to decide its 9th move as White against Primo in a Reversed Benoni, I'd say that the Savant II might not go for very much. Perhaps there might be collectors prepared to pay over the odds for a non-working unit, but I imagine there may be others like myself who have a policy of acquiring only working units for their collection. I found the pain of having a non-working Savant Royale too much to bear as you know, so sent it and a Savant I to a good home. I used to spend a fair bit of time with the innards of Savants and I'd be flabbergasted if the eBay one wasn't as dead as a dodo. I still remember the day my Royale died! :(

Advanced Star Chess plays 9. Na3 Regards

Cameron

of course what you say is true Cameron
there can be no doubt

but the PAIN i would feel IF this turned out to be working and i did not bid on it....would greatly exceed the embarrassment i will feel when it arrives in almost certain, defective and non working condition

Ergo..Bid i will ..Bid i must..Regards
Steve
JonP01

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by JonP01 »

Steve B wrote:but the PAIN i would feel IF this turned out to be working and i did not bid on it....would greatly exceed the embarrassment i will feel when it arrives in almost certain, defective and non working condition
Well, even in the worst case scenario, you will able to take as many pictures of it as you want, without having to ask someone else to do it for you.

Kodak Regards

Jonathan
Steve B

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by Steve B »

JonP01 wrote:
Steve B wrote:but the PAIN i would feel IF this turned out to be working and i did not bid on it....would greatly exceed the embarrassment i will feel when it arrives in almost certain, defective and non working condition
Well, even in the worst case scenario, you will able to take as many pictures of it as you want, without having to ask someone else to do it for you.

Kodak Regards

Jonathan
Strangely Jon ..the Seller has not replied to my final ..probing question which i repeat here for your reading pleasure..

hi
thank you for your replies
since you do not have a camera to show that the pieces are still visible ...

where you able to play a chess game on the computer?
it could play a complete game?
thanks


in my previous two emails..the seller replied to both within hours of me sending them....
now ..a strange ..almost eerie silence..

Hmmmm Regards
Steve
JonP01

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by JonP01 »

Maybe you can check the seller's honesty by asking them a "loaded" question. For example, ask them something about the unit and give them an incorrect answer to that question at the same time. For example, I can't recall what beeps the thing makes when the new game button is pressed, but let's assume in truth it makes three beeps when you press the "new game" button. So you ask the seller "Can you please verify that when it is powered up and you press the new game button, you get one long beep only". You get the drift. If they say "yes", well you have most of your answer. Of course, you need to know the real answer to the question when you ask it, and from the sounds of it you don't have a live unit.


Detective Regards

Jonathan
Steve B

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by Steve B »

JonP01 wrote:Maybe you can check the seller's honesty by asking them a "loaded" question. For example, ask them something about the unit and give them an incorrect answer to that question at the same time. For example, I can't recall what beeps the thing makes when the new game button is pressed, but let's assume in truth it makes three beeps when you press the "new game" button. So you ask the seller "Can you please verify that when it is powered up and you press the new game button, you get one long beep only". You get the drift. If they say "yes", well you have most of your answer. Of course, you need to know the real answer to the question when you ask it, and from the sounds of it you don't have a live unit.


Detective Regards

Jonathan
Excellent Suggestion Jon
now the computer can turn on AND EVEN LIGHT UP but its the touch screen display we are trying to nail down here
the seller will be very wary of any further questions from me so can i ask you to ask the seller this question and report his reply(if any) back here?



"when you first turn on the computer and begin a new game can you please verify that when you touch any pawn that the pawn flashes 3 times before it moves?if it flashes less then 3 times there could be a potential problem with the computer recognizing its move"


any piece when touched flashed only once when you touched it and placed it on its square
when the computer moved it flashed the to/from square ..TWICE

Schachcomputer Police Closing the Trap Regards
Steve
JonP01

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by JonP01 »

Hi Steve,

Done as requested. I'll let you know if and when I get an answer. I just added an extra bit at the end of the question in which I asked him how many times does the pawn actually flash. So he can answer 3, 2, 1 or 0. If he answers that he does not know what a pawn is, I'll ask him to press the little symbol 4 across from the left and 1 up from the bottom!


Deputy Regards

Jonathan
JonP01

Re: Collectors Corner..Ultra Rare Novag Savant II

Post by JonP01 »

Or I should say the 1 up from the bottom row or the second row lol :x

Having trouble with numbers today Regards

Jonathan