What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

[mclane]

so toga is a angst-opponent for loop and hiarcs.

wow.
together with my data where toga1.3x4 is also an angst-opponent for toga1.2.1a it seems to be that the new toga1.3x4 is an angst-opponent for many programs.

wouldn't that be an indicator that this program could be strong ?

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

so toga is a angst-opponent for loop and hiarcs.

wow.
together with my data where toga1.3x4 is also an angst-opponent for toga1.2.1a it seems to be that the new toga1.3x4 is an angst-opponent for many programs.

wouldn't that be an indicator that this program could be strong ?

Yes,this is what I tried to say,but the future will say more....

[Denis P. Mendoza]

What's wrong to show that an awesome commercial engine is tested wrong against another engine and that it's losing because of broken test conditions?
Where do you see the insult here....

I think Dr. Wael Deeb has a point regarding his observation. Pavel"s tournament link here http://www.chesspraga.cz/engine-turn.htm will explain why he feels this way. Pavel uses a different method in matching engines. He usually uses opening books that may be an advantage to another, which should have been a neutral book to be fair. But I believe that Pavel's reasons are unintentional. Since he builds opening books for his favorite engines like Spike (for example), on his he gives it a special treatment on his matches to test how well his book performs on any opponent engine he matches.

I believe that opinions will vary from either side, depending on your point of view. It's still computerchess but on a different perspective. I hope people will cool down a little bit since each of us are as respectable in our own right

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

What's wrong to show that an awesome commercial engine is tested wrong against another engine and that it's losing because of broken test conditions?
Where do you see the insult here....

I think Dr. Wael Deeb has a point regarding his observation. Pavel"s tournament link here http://www.chesspraga.cz/engine-turn.htm will explain why he feels this way. Pavel uses a different method in matching engines. He usually uses opening books that may be an advantage to another, which should have been a neutral book to be fair. But I believe that Pavel's reasons are unintentional. Since he builds opening books for his favorite engines like Spike (for example), on his he gives it a special treatment on his matches to test how well his book performs on any opponent engine he matches.

I believe that opinions will vary from either side, depending on your point of view. It's still computerchess but on a different perspective. I hope people will cool down a little bit since each of us are as respectable in our own right

Thank you sir for the constructive and logical point of view

[mclane]

maybe you both oversee the following:

Hiarcs 11.1UCI - Toga II 1.3x4/32 6.0:10.0 (1:5=10)
AMD Sempron 3000+, 128MB hash, 90m+30s, GUI Fritz 10, 5TB+EGBB.
download games here
Books: Hiarcs own, Toga change, new toga-ph-book.bin.

it says: Hiarcs 11.1UCI Book: Hiarcs own !

for hiarcs performance with using its own book its not important
which opening book he uses for toga.

the result of toga is impressive and the hardware he uses is old but since he plays 90'+30" it is serious data.

it remains that pavels data, my data and also the results from rudolf klamert
http://f50.parsimony.net/forum202220/messages/22668.htm
show that this new toga is a killer.
all on serious hardware.

[Graham Banks]

I have "cleaned up" this thread to remove the flaming and hopefully retain most of the substance.

I'd ask everybody to discuss the issues constructively, without losing their tempers and posting insults.

Regards, Graham (moderation)

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Thanks Graham for your efforts....
I was about to ask:
Is the new Toga realy stronger than the commercial Hiarcs 11.1 and stronger than the commercial LoopMP 12.32?
Please provide every known link or information which can be found,Thorsten already provided some links which by the way make me ask this question....

[Graham Banks]

Thanks Graham for your efforts....
I was about to ask:
Is the new Toga realy stronger than the commercial Hiarcs 11.1 and stronger than the commercial LoopMP 12.32?
Please provide every known link or information which can be found,Thorsten already provided some links which by the way make me ask this question....

Hi Wael,

CCRL testers are waiting for the egbb access bug to be addressed before testing Toga II 1.3x4 at 40/40.
However Shaun, who is a beta tester for Thomas, has tested Toga II 1.3x4 extensively at 40/4.
Shaun would be the best to ask as he'd know more than I do.

Regards, Graham.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Thanks for the reply Graham,
Let's hope that Shaun will spot some light on this issue as it seems that things are missed up regarding the new Toga's performance.....

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Just to add that when Toga 1.2.1a appeared,it was a clear improvement and there was no doubt about that.....