The quote I gave was not taken out of context. It was related to the Strelkas, but as you can clearly see, there was no Fruit issue in the argumentation back then.lmader wrote:I've followed the clone discussion madness pretty carefully, including Dr. Hyatt's contributions to the conversations. From what I have read of his posts, I don't think this is an accurate portrayal of his positions. It looks to me like you are taking a relatively isolated statement out of context to try to create the implication that he condones stealing other people's work. That just isn't the case. I think you know that.Albert Silver wrote:The point is this: it wouldn't make one iota of difference even if he DID offer you this evidence. You have already made it clear that independently of the so-called Fruit affair, and even if the Ippos were PROVEN to be clones, you believe that reverse engineering a secretive author's work in order to level the playing field is a FAIR WAY to force him to expose his secrets.
I think that generally speaking you are pretty reasonable fellow. Regardless of your position on the status of some of the controversial engines, I think you have very high ethical standards, which is commendable. But I also think that you are straying into the unreasonable with characterizing Dr. Hyatt in this way. He is also an extremely reasonable and professional fellow (as far as I can tell), and the issues here can become subtle; not always amenable to a realistic understanding based on one liners like that.
My standard disclaimer - I don't really have a vested interest in arguing, I'm just trying to advocate for keeping things reasonable and forthright.
Back then he stated it was fair game to reverse engineer Rybka, not because he believed it was a Fruit clone, but because Vas was a secretive author.
I gave a clean, untouched quote, exactly as stated. Since it explicitly says that reverse engineering is a fair way to expose an author's work because he had the audacity to be secretive... I see no reason why anyone would bother to try and prove anything since it has already been declared a fair way of doing things.