Some very good points Bob! Yet they will not address the truth ?!bob wrote:Here's a suggestion. If you have something to say, say it _clearly_. One-liners offer little content to further the discussion.tomgdrums wrote:Your vision on this issue is remarkably cloudy.bob wrote:And that has exactly what to do with my _SUPPORTING_ Ippo*?Albert Silver wrote:It comes from a neverending stream of posts of yours that contain statements such as:bob wrote:I'll say this again, "Bob doesn't support the Ippo* development". I do not know what the thing is, nor where it came from.
"I am completely unconcerned about the reverse-engineering that has been done. Seems like a fair way to "even the playing field" by forcing a secretive author to expose secrets he has desparately tried to hide by obfuscation of this PV, depth and node counter displays. I'm not going to lose any sleep over this at all. It isn't my concern..."
I'll clarify my statement, since you obviously have no context.
Vas clearly copied fruit to create Rybka 1. Absolutely no doubt. And yet he has repeatedly said he copied _no_ code whatsoever, just ideas. That's false. And now he claims that someone copied his work (ippo*) but offered _nothing_ to prove this claim except for the fact that the new program was at least as strong as his and could hardly just appear out of the blue (of course, this would be a description of Rybka 1 as well).
So no, I'm not particularly sympathetic to his case. If he offers proof that Ippo* is reverse-engineered from his program, I'd certainly accept it. But so far, he has offered _nothing_. My vision is not "cloudy". I have had 20-10 vision since I was born (distance, at least). And I tend to see that which is _actually_ there, not the ghosts, shadows, and such that others imagine. When there is something _real_ to see, I'll see it. So far there is nothing but one voice in the darkness saying "this is a copy" and then nothing more. Not convincing to one that has good eyes.
From an objective point of view, one "could "make the conclusion that Vas with the evidence provided is also a cloner and a liar. From this one could also infer that those who know this and still support him are also liars or fools lost in the their own hypocrisy. But, there are many ways to look at all issues and objectivity rarely shows its face around here lately.