As a Christ you should know that pretending being sober and consistent, and nevertheless working with proven cloners, taking ideas from donating helpers for "open source crafty", on the bases of 80-90% of the code of forefathers in computerchess, is pure hypocrisy. As Albert showed you are well involved for a hate campaign but being asked you pretend indifference and lack of time and juristication, but why being in all the hate at all? Isnt it true if I concluded that you are only interested to grind an axe with Vas for reasons that remain in the clouds and could be assumed to be very personally motivated?
How come that you are so deeply obsessed by Vas and his business when you can well rely on money from university? As I said before, if you were consistent you would ask for the secrets of other business engines too, but you dont. Question is answered, why you are only focussed on Rybka and Vas. He knows something that you cant cope with despite hundreds of public hrelpers for open source Crafty. Again, as a Christ envy should never be the option. If you see something aggreeable in Norman, you should seek it in Vas too, if you have a minimally consistent ethical mind frame.
A clarification. I speak a variant of German, and even though the words we use seem to be pretty much cognates of their English equivalents, the word for "Christ" has two syllables, but the word for "Christian" has only one syllable. (Just the opposite of English)
Although Rolf does not exactly come across as trying his best to be kind, I would guess he meant to say "a Christian" -- not imply that Bob views himself as "a Christ."
Sam Hull wrote:
The only thing "dictated" by ICD has been the prohibition of links to illegal or questionable software and sites that promote acquisition of it.
-Sam-
So then, any links to Rybka are prohibited as well, since there is as much "evidence" that Rybka is as illegally based on Fruit, as these, so-called, derivatives are based on Rybka?
Also, I refer to your use of "illegally" , in respect to the derivatives", quite loosely, since the Rybka team wont take legal action against them. Surely, the legal system is the only arbiter of what is legal or illegal?
Sam Hull wrote:
The only thing "dictated" by ICD has been the prohibition of links to illegal or questionable software and sites that promote acquisition of it.
-Sam-
So then, any links to Rybka are prohibited as well, since there is as much "evidence" that Rybka is as illegally based on Fruit, as these, so-called, derivatives are based on Rybka?
Also, I refer to your use of "illegally" , in respect to the derivatives", quite loosely, since the Rybka team wont take legal action against them. Surely, the legal system is the only arbiter of what is legal or illegal?
Yahtzee !
I agree completely!
Now wait for the obviously biased responses you will receive that without doubt will defy the simple logic you put forth. As I said before, fools lost in the thrall of hypocrisy. Full, frank, and fair, is that too much to ask ?
Sven Schüle wrote:
- the amount of Fruit code that is said to be involved in "reuse" is so small compared to the overall program size, and so relatively unimportant, that it can never be viewed as being a substantial part of Fruit, so even according to the GPL it would not be sufficient to call Rybka 1.0 beta a "derived work" - all under the assumption that the presented evidence were fully correct, which I still doubt in many parts;
- the Fruit author has not taken any action on that area for years, although he definitely knows the facts.
Sven
On the basis now I would never more respect Bob as a neutral scientist who has only interest in the truth, Zach neither. The last mentioned is insofar a joke because he didnt adopt a small parts of Zappa but he works now with the whole program but that doesnt stink, if something stinks in the eyes/nose of the two overasked persons, it's only Vas with his Rybka. And therefore they think it's ethically sober to cooperate with invisible jerks who are stealing codes, in other words cloners. If computerchess has a chance to survive in honesty it's because honest people like you exist. Thanks from my more or less observer position. All the best to you.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
Sven Schüle wrote:
- the amount of Fruit code that is said to be involved in "reuse" is so small compared to the overall program size, and so relatively unimportant, that it can never be viewed as being a substantial part of Fruit, so even according to the GPL it would not be sufficient to call Rybka 1.0 beta a "derived work" - all under the assumption that the presented evidence were fully correct, which I still doubt in many parts;
- the Fruit author has not taken any action on that area for years, although he definitely knows the facts.
Sven
On the basis now I would never more respect Bob as a neutral scientist who has only interest in the truth, Zach neither. The last mentioned is insofar a joke because he didnt adopt a small parts of Zappa but he works now with the whole program but that doesnt stink, if something stinks in the eyes/nose of the two overasked persons, it's only Vas with his Rybka. And therefore they think it's ethically sober to cooperate with invisible jerks who are stealing codes, in other words cloners. If computerchess has a chance to survive in honesty it's because honest people like you exist. Thanks from my more or less observer position. All the best to you.
Are you accusing Zach of cooperating with the cloners to improve Zappa
So anyone who may surpass Vasik in the race track of the computer chess world is a cloner,cheater
You're pathetic and legal actions should be taken upon you in my opinion....
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
John_F wrote: I would guess he meant to say "a Christian" -- not imply that Bob views himself as "a Christ."
Thanks for giving correction. The latter wouldnt make sense at all.
Don't worry,we're used to your senseless statements anyway....
Your latest creation was to accuse Zach of suspecious relationships with the so called ippo cloners to improve Zappa....that was brilliant I have to admit....
_No one can hit as hard as life.But it ain’t about how hard you can hit.It’s about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.How much you can take and keep moving forward….
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
So anyone who may surpass Vasik in the race track of the computer chess world is a cloner,cheater
You're pathetic and legal actions should be taken upon you in my opinion....
Let's stay in the real non-criminal world because here nobody could and will ever "surpass" Vas, because Vas is simply the best. Even the invisible hippo jerks were never better, they looked like that for shortest TC. Yes, "Norman S." is a cloner, insofar illegal and criminal.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
So anyone who may surpass Vasik in the race track of the computer chess world is a cloner,cheater
You're pathetic and legal actions should be taken upon you in my opinion....
Let's stay in the real non-criminal world because here nobody could and will ever "surpass" Vas, because Vas is simply the best. Even the invisible hippo jerks were never better, they looked like that for shortest TC. Yes, "Norman S." is a cloner, insofar illegal and criminal.
Intoxicated on the vapors issuing from the Vas personality cult ...
bob wrote: ... without any need to bury references in a non-public place. That has obviously changed. For the worse, I might add.
Removing links is stupid. It doesn't change a thing.
The whole board was "buried in a non-public place" in the good old days, if you recall.
Removing links to warez, cracked software, and other illegal and questionable downloads may be "stupid" to you, but it seems pretty silly to allow such links while banning blatant promotion of legitimate software, which as you know is an explicit part of the charter.
The debate centers on where to draw the line - which is ultimately a question for duly elected mods to decide.
