zamar wrote:I hate cloning and have been personally convinced so far that Ippolit is a clone of Rybka, but as a writer of open source program and supporter of the right to free speech
No offense, but I think your arguments are odd. The announcement I read asked to be less lenient about posting announcements in the General Topics subforum, essentially promoting the clones, and to move them to the CEO.
If you think they are clones of Rybka, and thus that a professional colleague's work is being distributed via these forums, how do you reconcile allowing them? If you had stated you were not convinced they were clones, I might have understood, but instead you are professing that his work should be stolen and disseminated here in the name of free speech??
Reread this part:
The moderation team was informed yesterday by the site administrator, Sam Hull, that the site owners, Your Move Chess & Games/ICD, want the moderation team to aggressively remove links and any posts which could be seen as "encouragement to acquire software of questionable legitimacy". "Software of questionable legitimacy" obviously refers to the engines derived from the source code known as I--- (I censor myself here to avoid being banned to the CEO forum by Graham), and the request was justified by the various commercial partnerships which YMC&G/ICD maintains.
ICD/YourMove owns Talkchess.com and controls the content therein. The only reason that I can post crap is that the owners of this site/company have known me for a long time. They know me to be a benign fellow with no malicious intent.
The owners of Talkchess are in the entertainment business. The main reason for these blog sites is to encourage heated debates about computer chess and the larger world. If they determine that a post might affect sales then they are free to remove it. What else would you expect from legitimate sales people?
Tj, living in the real world
A New Way Comes Upon Earth.
God is an infinitely variable Constant.
Man marks his ground with ideologies.
Galaxies are the dreidels of God.
War is a punishment for implacability.
Peace flows from forgiveness of sins.
What a good days were these when the beautiful “Comp Quark” used to be in main room from playchess.com. I can remember the hundreds of games the machine won to me.
If God get me the chance and you the opportunities, what a nice being to play against comp quark in main room.
The Main room with some chess engines into it, and then, many persons playing for free against commercial and not commercial engines was a very good experience...
Because of I have been very concentrated in man versus machines; I have not understood the meaning of this post. Today I put in the morning a game in played against Houdini, my first game, my first victory. Even tough the Houdini did not have any time, and the watch appear TIEMPO in my favor a victories on time, the machine to continue playing without time and with out acceptation of it’s loose, since the move 165 until the last move 195 more or less, when the machine claimed a draw by repetition. I claimed that THIS IS A CHESS COMPUTER TIME CHEATER, but the post was eraser and my game … I don’t understood the reason, the same that all these posts, just I played on a desk the game, and could discover that Houdini is a cheater. I won the game… now some hours after were removed my post I don’t understand yet why it was removed…
Not hate is a VIP attitude on life. Times fly, and feel hate each other is one of the biggest waste of time ever been ... What a stupid arrogance are on Earth. I would like hear in this forum, just feels everybody love themselves, help ourselves, and never never hate each other.
Best regards,
Father playches.com user
I am thinking chess is in a coin.Human beings for ever playing in one face.Now I am playing in the other face:"Antichess". Computers are as a fortres where owner forgot to close a little door behind. You must enter across this door.Forget the front.
What a good days were these when the beautiful “Comp Quark” used to be in main room from playchess.com. I can remember the hundreds of games the machine won to me.
If God get me the chance and you the opportunities, what a nice being to play against comp quark in main room.
The Main room with some chess engines into it, and then, many persons playing for free against commercial and not commercial engines was a very good experience...
Because of I have been very concentrated in man versus machines; I have not understood the meaning of this post. Today I put in the morning a game in played against Houdini, my first game, my first victory. Even tough the Houdini did not have any time, and the watch appear TIEMPO in my favor a victories on time, the machine to continue playing without time and with out acceptation of it’s loose, since the move 165 until the last move 195 more or less, when the machine claimed a draw by repetition. I claimed that THIS IS A CHESS COMPUTER TIME CHEATER, but the post was eraser and my game … I don’t understood the reason, the same that all these posts, just I played on a desk the game, and could discover that Houdini is a cheater. I won the game… now some hours after were removed my post I don’t understand yet why it was removed…
Not hate is a VIP attitude on life. Times fly, and feel hate each other is one of the biggest waste of time ever been ... What a stupid arrogance are on Earth. I would like hear in this forum, just feels everybody love themselves, help ourselves, and never never hate each other.
I have been a member here since this board opened, I hope ICD and you are happy. You got what you wanted. GOOD BYE I will not buy anything from ICD again. This is my last post on this board.
Thanks Jeremy. I very much support your stance on free and open discussion. I've joined your forum, and look forward to a breath of fresh air. I'm also encouraged to see some of the most respected members here joining your group. In particular, Dr. Robert Hyatt is valuable addition.
Warm regards.
"The foundation of morality is to have done, once for all, with lying; to give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibilities of knowledge." - T. H. Huxley
Talkchess was once a great place to share and communicate ideas for many years. There is considerable amount of knowledge reading the programming sub-forum -- there are two scientists there whose comments I normally read. The General forum at one point was a place to discuss many topics, including controversial ones.
Short story – A New Program Arrived On The Scene. Certain commercial entities felt threatened by strength of this new program. A whisper campaign began to emerge to delegitimize the new program. No official statement has ever been released regarding allegations of wrongdoing, and no evidence has been provided a year to date, to support these allegations.
On the contrary, the accuser is/was accused of wrongdoing, and solid evidence supporting each account of misconduct has been offered. Yet, it was/is ok for discussion to continue, and promotion of the accuser’s program is allowed. Quod licet Iovi non licet bovi.
CCC had prided itself in democratic approach to governing the Forum. Moderators are elected to guide the site by its chatter/rules. During the previous election, I had communicated with the site sponsors regarding the “controversial” topic that was ongoing. The impression given was that they do not control contents of this server.
Graham Banks was elected as one of 3 personnel team. Following the election, one of the elected moderators resigned stating Banks would not cooperate or compromise. Now, just a few months later, another of the elected moderator has not only resigned his position because of Banks, but also quit the forum. Melior morior bellator, quam ago profugus.
In all, some of us actually pay for commercial programs, and do not obtain them for free because of who we know and personal relationships. So when we take positions on issues, it’s usually objective; nepotism does not cloud our judgment. Our loyalty is to the game -- not an individual or a commercial entity.
Good Knight,
Franklin
P.S. I am now registered at the new forum, and looking forward to participating without fear of thought police.
