Cutting power by software - what device do i need?

[diep]

google usb relay.

Ah yes i see i can plug relays into the computer. That's good.
It can give a pulse. That's a good start

Any idea how to switch off power with such pulse? Probably need another device that i plug into the relay then?

[bhlangonijr]

Right lm_sensors it is. Problem is not the software. Problem is how to interrupt power of the switch. I need a device that can react onto the computer.

Now i can of course buy a legorobot that can do it using robot-OS - maybe there is something cheaper.

The switch doesn't have a 'turn off' button.

So i need to physical build something that can be steered by computer. Any thoughts on that?

... and what happens if you try issuing a "shutdown -h now" ?

[diep]

Right lm_sensors it is. Problem is not the software. Problem is how to interrupt power of the switch. I need a device that can react onto the computer.

Now i can of course buy a legorobot that can do it using robot-OS - maybe there is something cheaper.

The switch doesn't have a 'turn off' button.

So i need to physical build something that can be steered by computer. Any thoughts on that?

... and what happens if you try issuing a "shutdown -h now" ?

That's not a problem as i'm there then. The real problem is when i'm asleep that the cheapo 12 volts adapter that runs fans of a precious Mellanox component, that it breaks.

The component will overheat and die then.

Sure there is possibilities like a power failure, and that it'll take a while for the machine to reboot, meanwhile the adapter by accident broke (it can survive power failures and shockwaves of 330 volt that adapter - already tested that) and that booting the linux box takes so long that the Mellanox switch already fried itself, but that's another issue.

The scenario i want to avoid is a much simpler one and that's that the adapter breaks when i'm asleep and that a cheap trick of me to reduce a 70+ decibel component using a cheapo old adapter, that this adapter breaks, which is a thing that happens more, and that it melts the switch

Not sure Mellanox happy with me asking for another switch

Vincent

[syzygy]

... and what happens if you try issuing a "shutdown -h now" ?

That's not a problem as i'm there then. The real problem is when i'm asleep that the cheapo 12 volts adapter that runs fans of a precious Mellanox component, that it breaks.

I think the question is what happens if you let a script issue the "shutdown -h now" when the temperature gets too high?

[diep]

... and what happens if you try issuing a "shutdown -h now" ?

That's not a problem as i'm there then. The real problem is when i'm asleep that the cheapo 12 volts adapter that runs fans of a precious Mellanox component, that it breaks.

I think the question is what happens if you let a script issue the "shutdown -h now" when the temperature gets too high?

Then the computer will shut down but not the switch. The switch has no button to turn off.

So the switch will melt, as i removed the internal fans from switch as those make 70+ decibel. An external computer i can have monitor those external fans and undertake action when it notices that they stop working or one of them.

So one solution is to have a legorobot equipped with a small hammer and have it hammer on a button, having the computer steer the legorobot, and turning off the switches power by hammering onto the button of the 240 volt power with the lego robot.

Big odds that hammering goes wrong.

[bob]

hi,

My chessprogram runs on a box that uses a switch that doesn't have a 'power off' button.

This mellanox switch however, you can see from my facebook pictures there (my entire facebook is open to the entire world to browse), it produces 75 decibel or so and i sit a few meters away from it.

Now i got rid of the fans from the switch and replaced it by cardboard and big outside fans. Where the psu can give power to 1 fan that cools the psu (hopefully it'll go ok as the airpressure of the fans i use isn't that high), the other 3 fans from the case do not have this luxury solution. The easiest solution is use an external adapter.

This external adapter could break at which point a disaster might happen to the switch. From 1 of the motherboards of the box i can easily monitor the RPM of the external fans. If one of them drops to near zero, which would happen for example if the adapter breaks, then i want to give the controlling proces there the order to cut the power of the switch.

Writing the software i'll manage, but what device to use that i can control by software or maybe even a simpler solution is there.

Note that i do realize this is not a 100% solution, yet the odds that one day the 12 volt adapter breaks is there, so i want to catch THAT possibility.

I feel some cheapskate solution probably exists. Any thoughts on how to solve this i welcome.

This linux, windows, or some other custom o/s???

In linux it is pretty easy to write a shell script to access the lm_sensors info, and if a fan's rpm drops to some chosen value, shut the system down quickly...

Right lm_sensors it is. Problem is not the software. Problem is how to interrupt power of the switch. I need a device that can react onto the computer.

Now i can of course buy a legorobot that can do it using robot-OS - maybe there is something cheaper.

The switch doesn't have a 'turn off' button.

So i need to physical build something that can be steered by computer. Any thoughts on that?

OK, the switch is a separate box, completely. And you want to be able to turn it off from the computer?

If I were going to try to build such a thing, I might "go simple here." Take one pin + ground from the parallel output port, and gate that to a simple darlington-pair power transistor that is used to ramp up the current to a level that will trip a relay. Then simply wire the spdt relay in series with the hot wire on the a/c power, and you are set. Output a 1, the relay closes, and power comes on. Output a 0, the relay opens, power goes away.

If you want it to "default on" you could toss in a "not" gate on the signal coming from the parallel port output, as it almost certainly powers on with an output of all zero bits. Notting that would give you a 1 which would start things off with the switch power enabled...

[bob]

google usb relay.

Ah yes i see i can plug relays into the computer. That's good.
It can give a pulse. That's a good start

Any idea how to switch off power with such pulse? Probably need another device that i plug into the relay then?

A relay is an open-close device. It is either open or closed. You generally get two connections that bridge the relay contacts. Only question is, how many amps do you need to switch? The ones I saw were good for 10a, which is probably way more than enough. You just run the hot leg of A/C power to one side of the relay, the other side of the relay goes to the hot wire connection in the switch, and you will be set...

[bob]

... and what happens if you try issuing a "shutdown -h now" ?

That's not a problem as i'm there then. The real problem is when i'm asleep that the cheapo 12 volts adapter that runs fans of a precious Mellanox component, that it breaks.

I think the question is what happens if you let a script issue the "shutdown -h now" when the temperature gets too high?

Wrong machine. That would shut down his linux box, but not his switch...

[diep]

hi,

My chessprogram runs on a box that uses a switch that doesn't have a 'power off' button.

This mellanox switch however, you can see from my facebook pictures there (my entire facebook is open to the entire world to browse), it produces 75 decibel or so and i sit a few meters away from it.

Now i got rid of the fans from the switch and replaced it by cardboard and big outside fans. Where the psu can give power to 1 fan that cools the psu (hopefully it'll go ok as the airpressure of the fans i use isn't that high), the other 3 fans from the case do not have this luxury solution. The easiest solution is use an external adapter.

This external adapter could break at which point a disaster might happen to the switch. From 1 of the motherboards of the box i can easily monitor the RPM of the external fans. If one of them drops to near zero, which would happen for example if the adapter breaks, then i want to give the controlling proces there the order to cut the power of the switch.

Writing the software i'll manage, but what device to use that i can control by software or maybe even a simpler solution is there.

Note that i do realize this is not a 100% solution, yet the odds that one day the 12 volt adapter breaks is there, so i want to catch THAT possibility.

I feel some cheapskate solution probably exists. Any thoughts on how to solve this i welcome.

This linux, windows, or some other custom o/s???

In linux it is pretty easy to write a shell script to access the lm_sensors info, and if a fan's rpm drops to some chosen value, shut the system down quickly...

Right lm_sensors it is. Problem is not the software. Problem is how to interrupt power of the switch. I need a device that can react onto the computer.

Now i can of course buy a legorobot that can do it using robot-OS - maybe there is something cheaper.

The switch doesn't have a 'turn off' button.

So i need to physical build something that can be steered by computer. Any thoughts on that?

OK, the switch is a separate box, completely. And you want to be able to turn it off from the computer?

Correct!

For a $100 switch you don't care of course but for a superior mellanox infiniband switch...

If I were going to try to build such a thing, I might "go simple here." Take one pin + ground from the parallel output port, and gate that to a simple darlington-pair power transistor that is used to ramp up the current to a level that will trip a relay. Then simply wire the spdt relay in series with the hot wire on the a/c power, and you are set. Output a 1, the relay closes, and power comes on. Output a 0, the relay opens, power goes away.

If you want it to "default on" you could toss in a "not" gate on the signal coming from the parallel port output, as it almost certainly powers on with an output of all zero bits. Notting that would give you a 1 which would start things off with the switch power enabled...

I have no idea what you're talking about Bob, but from what i understand you want to start getting from the mothballs some solder and other stuff and make your own electronics?

No easy to use ready to use solution from a store?

I see a relays is $23, can i plug into that something else?

The switch is a 36 ports managed QDR switch from Mellanox.
They upgraded a supercomputer to FDR somewhere and i got the QDR switch from it.

now QDR is a great network to use of course. the new FDR for your info (sponsor talk) is of course the superior new network. I'm gonna write a proggie to measure the hashtable latency you can expect and will ask mellanox to also run it at a FDR setup of them.

expectation is FDR is 2x faster in latency (it's quite a tad faster in bandwidth as well, but that's no big deal for us).

I heard timings of 0.85 us for a RDMA (remote dma read from other motherboards RAM). QDR is not even remotely in the same league.

Mellanox has FDR, Qlogic doesn't have QDR and won't have that any soon, also their statements reflect that. They're busy improving latency of QDR a tad, but that will never be even in the same league of the FDR latencies.

Around a 0.5 us worse.

Now all that is single core latencies of course, i'll make a test for all cores to all cores, which is what we want to know of course; expect way worse latencies there than the good weather ones from all manufacturers we saw so far; probably FDR is gonna own everything there. Yet i am very happy wth this QDR switch of course. Many supercomputers aren't even in the same league of those bandwidths

it's 2 x 40 gigabit both sides.
there is no way the mainboards i got can handle that bandwidth

On paper it can do 8GB /s (pci-e 2.0) but i really doubt it will do it

[bob]

hi,

My chessprogram runs on a box that uses a switch that doesn't have a 'power off' button.

This mellanox switch however, you can see from my facebook pictures there (my entire facebook is open to the entire world to browse), it produces 75 decibel or so and i sit a few meters away from it.

Now i got rid of the fans from the switch and replaced it by cardboard and big outside fans. Where the psu can give power to 1 fan that cools the psu (hopefully it'll go ok as the airpressure of the fans i use isn't that high), the other 3 fans from the case do not have this luxury solution. The easiest solution is use an external adapter.

This external adapter could break at which point a disaster might happen to the switch. From 1 of the motherboards of the box i can easily monitor the RPM of the external fans. If one of them drops to near zero, which would happen for example if the adapter breaks, then i want to give the controlling proces there the order to cut the power of the switch.

Writing the software i'll manage, but what device to use that i can control by software or maybe even a simpler solution is there.

Note that i do realize this is not a 100% solution, yet the odds that one day the 12 volt adapter breaks is there, so i want to catch THAT possibility.

I feel some cheapskate solution probably exists. Any thoughts on how to solve this i welcome.

This linux, windows, or some other custom o/s???

In linux it is pretty easy to write a shell script to access the lm_sensors info, and if a fan's rpm drops to some chosen value, shut the system down quickly...

Right lm_sensors it is. Problem is not the software. Problem is how to interrupt power of the switch. I need a device that can react onto the computer.

Now i can of course buy a legorobot that can do it using robot-OS - maybe there is something cheaper.

The switch doesn't have a 'turn off' button.

So i need to physical build something that can be steered by computer. Any thoughts on that?

OK, the switch is a separate box, completely. And you want to be able to turn it off from the computer?

Correct!

For a $100 switch you don't care of course but for a superior mellanox infiniband switch...

If I were going to try to build such a thing, I might "go simple here." Take one pin + ground from the parallel output port, and gate that to a simple darlington-pair power transistor that is used to ramp up the current to a level that will trip a relay. Then simply wire the spdt relay in series with the hot wire on the a/c power, and you are set. Output a 1, the relay closes, and power comes on. Output a 0, the relay opens, power goes away.

If you want it to "default on" you could toss in a "not" gate on the signal coming from the parallel port output, as it almost certainly powers on with an output of all zero bits. Notting that would give you a 1 which would start things off with the switch power enabled...

I have no idea what you're talking about Bob, but from what i understand you want to start getting from the mothballs some solder and other stuff and make your own electronics?

No easy to use ready to use solution from a store?

I see a relays is $23, can i plug into that something else?

The switch is a 36 ports managed QDR switch from Mellanox.
They upgraded a supercomputer to FDR somewhere and i got the QDR switch from it.

now QDR is a great network to use of course. the new FDR for your info (sponsor talk) is of course the superior new network. I'm gonna write a proggie to measure the hashtable latency you can expect and will ask mellanox to also run it at a FDR setup of them.

expectation is FDR is 2x faster in latency (it's quite a tad faster in bandwidth as well, but that's no big deal for us).

I heard timings of 0.85 us for a RDMA (remote dma read from other motherboards RAM). QDR is not even remotely in the same league.

Mellanox has FDR, Qlogic doesn't have QDR and won't have that any soon, also their statements reflect that. They're busy improving latency of QDR a tad, but that will never be even in the same league of the FDR latencies.

Around a 0.5 us worse.

Now all that is single core latencies of course, i'll make a test for all cores to all cores, which is what we want to know of course; expect way worse latencies there than the good weather ones from all manufacturers we saw so far; probably FDR is gonna own everything there. Yet i am very happy wth this QDR switch of course. Many supercomputers aren't even in the same league of those bandwidths

it's 2 x 40 gigabit both sides.
there is no way the mainboards i got can handle that bandwidth

On paper it can do 8GB /s (pci-e 2.0) but i really doubt it will do it

The USB relay solution looks workable, although not real cheap...