Anyone can say anything they like, but this guy is on another planet. Najdorf was quoted as saying that Bobby (Fischer) preferred to enter the chess heavens alone. And would. I suspect that he would say the exact same thing about Vas as pertains to computer chess.
There is no doubt history will show him as the greatest programmer who ever lived. I still cannot believe that 4.1, probably a 2.5 year old version, is still in the middle of all these recent new versions.
Can you imagine the publicity- and he is living his dream and can laugh all the way to the bank. Don't get me wrong- we have some of the best programmings mind anywhere- and the difference between him and the rest is vast. No one is even remotely close.
gts
So you are buying into this hoax as well? Vas as a programmer is a fraud like the article.
Terry,
You cannot deny that Vas is a good programmer. I don't like what happened any more than you or anyone else and I believe he took some shortcuts that saved him many years, but I don't think denying his ability make sense.
He brought a huge ELO increase to an already strong program. I think what he did was not ethical and it was wrong - but he clearly added a lot to Fruit. He did this primarily with really good engineering and not much imagination though (in my opinion) because he had to be shown the way, until then he was wandering around aimlessly.
George tends to greatly exaggerate - almost to the point of hero worship - but essentially I have to agree that Vas pushed ahead more than anyone else and by a large margin. I don't put him in the genius category but perhaps in the great engineer category. It takes logical thinking and good engineering ability to build a great program.
There are many programmers who seem to be able to work with something that already exists but lack something - I don't know if it's imagination or just laziness, but unless they are inspired by something really good they just flog around like a fish out of water. I think he is one of those.
I have seen this in the workplace many times - people that cannot get started on a project or idea but can run with something that is already developed. They cannot develop a vision but they don't lack any talent either.
Don, considering all his statements, why do you give him this credit? It's like saying that the sheikh who owns some great race horses is a great jockey because one of his horses won the derby.
Note that in this case no sheikh was involved at all, as it's a stolen horse as well that won.
Don wrote: This whole thing comes down to the validity of the assumption that if Rybka scores 5.12 or more, it is a win with 99.99999999% certainty and that it follows that this happens to be the same certainty for the entire results.
Don, this is clearly a 1st April joke. The whole thing comes down to the fact that starting from the finachetto position he searched so deep to reach a PV with alpha set at almost +5.12, this is clearly non-sense. I am surprised that a developer falls this trap. I can understand people from main forum, but a developer should not be joked with something like this
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I sanitized the Luke Skywalker thread by moving all the hijacked part dealing with the Rybka/ICGA/Clones discussion to Engines Origins.
Please (especially Vincent) have these discussions there and don't hijack threads, thank you.
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JuLieN wrote:[moderation]
I sanitized the Luke Skywalker thread by moving all the hijacked part dealing with the Rybka/ICGA/Clones discussion to Engines Origins.
Please (especially Vincent) have these discussions there and don't hijack threads, thank you.
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You are unwilling to hear the truth about Vasik?
You realize that by doing these actions you keep feeding the lies that are there.
JuLieN wrote:[moderation]
I sanitized the Luke Skywalker thread by moving all the hijacked part dealing with the Rybka/ICGA/Clones discussion to Engines Origins.
Please (especially Vincent) have these discussions there and don't hijack threads, thank you.
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You are unwilling to hear the truth about Vasik?
You realize that by doing these actions you keep feeding the lies that are there.
Yes I am. I am willing to ear any "truth" you want, Vincent. But in Engines Origins, thank you.
The current thread deals with ChessBase's April fool's joke: don't hijack it.
Mark Mason wrote:Well anyway....just in case anyone hasn't yet spotted it today.Chessbase have officially admitted it was all a joke which we all knew anyway:
Mark Mason wrote:Well anyway....just in case anyone hasn't yet spotted it today.Chessbase have officially admitted it was all a joke which we all knew anyway:
Well, I pretty much said as much in page one of this thread, without spelling it out.
I though it was real when first posted. But wondered how strange and stupid could one man and chessbase be. :_) . Well considering the source hum.............................
The funniest way one guy figured it out
"That can't be a geek's wife so it is the april fools joke"
For me it was the consecuative "chess + billiards" and the "futuristic let's check" articles that alerted me. No idea about pogo pogo though. Well played chessbase!
