Francesca is MAD ! Very MAD !

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Sylwy
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Francesca is MAD ! Very MAD !

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Hi all !

I have two WinBoard ladies I love a lot : Francesca and EveAnn !

Well , this morning both were well - disposed :lol: so a match was inevitable !

Now , coming (soon) , the serious part of my post : this new EveAnn 1.67 wasn't able to finish a single game under WinBoard GUI. From January 2012 to Aprill 2012 . Just before every adjudication an ugly message appears ( see the below capture , please).
Maybe Mr. Andrés Valverde Toresano has some free time to repair this nice chess lady ! :lol: Thank you a lot in advance !

Have - you all - a nice weekend !

SilvianR :wink:

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Re: Francesca is MAD ! Very MAD !

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As we usually say.. this has never happened here :P

Can you provide some debug files ?

andres.valverde.toresano at gmail.com


Thanks a lot :)
Saludos, Andres
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Re: Francesca is MAD ! Very MAD !

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A side note:
I am surprised that FranMad still is one of the very very few WB programs
which doesn't declare mate?
(A workaround for your problem would be to set adjudication to a normal
value, you must have set it it to > 100 or disabled at all - still the problem
is interesting and could be a WB problem too - debug is needed)

@Andres from the screenshot it looks like you have to disable any ajudication
and play against an engine which does not declare mates on itself to verify the problem(if it exists...)

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Andres Valverde wrote:As we usually say.. this has never happened here :P

Can you provide some debug files ?

andres.valverde.toresano at gmail.com


Thanks a lot :)

Well , from a game : EveAnn1.67-Frittle 1.0:

A. the WinBoard.debug file is here:

www.spaadyshare.com/NS24TCCTSEYK/winboard.zip

B. Velásquez fresco from this game is here:

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My public/private information is that in all games EveAnn 1.67 has this problem on WinBoard ! And I think isn't a WinBoard problem because some true legions of WB chess engines work in this Mr. HGM factory everyday having not this sindrome ! :lol:
Wishing a good health for the young chess ladies and a superb weekend for you , :lol:
from Eastern Europe ,
SilvianR :wink:
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Re: Señor Valverde , your order was accomplished !

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Sylwy wrote:

Well , from a game : EveAnn1.67-Frittle 1.0:

A. the WinBoard.debug file is here:

www.spaadyshare.com/NS24TCCTSEYK/winboard.zip

B. Velásquez fresco from this game is here:
Well, EveAnn crashed after a time loss of course the pipe was closed then.
(In the first screenshot the first fatal error was not readable)

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495906 <first &#58; 7 757 3 13891 h4g4 g7f7 b1c2 f7f8 c2c3 f8f7 c3b4 d8d2  *
TC string = '&#58;40/300'
mps=40 tc=300000 inc=0
GameEnds&#40;26, Black wins on time, 4&#41;
GE&#40;26, Black wins on time, 4&#41; bare king k=6 color=22
496250 >first &#58; result 0-1 &#123;Black wins on time&#125;
Interrupting second
496375 >second&#58; result 0-1 &#123;Black wins on time&#125;
496438 >first &#58; force
496500 >second&#58; force
496531 <first &#58; 7 749 204 16104 h4g4 g7f7 b1c2 f7f8 c2c3 f8f7 c3b4 d8d2 
496531 <first &#58; move h4g4
Undoing extra move from first, gameMode 8
496531 >first &#58; undo
496531 <first &#58; are in console mode then press &#91;ENTER&#93; key to continue
496531 <first &#58; 
496531 <first &#58; Bitbases path not valid &#58; c&#58;\egbb\
Fatal Error&#58; Error&#58; first chess program &#40;eveann.exe&#41; exited unexpectedly
After EveAnn lost on time and WB's result message it did not react immediately and finished the iteration.
WB sent an undo of the move and it seems it went into console mode and crashed with the message bitbasepath wouldn't be valid.
The debug regrettably misses the first part with the initialisation of EveAnn, thus I cannot see if there was another complain
about the bitbase path in the beginning, but at least it started nevertheless.

I noticed though that you played with ponder on and that EveAnn reached
abnormal low depths.

Guenther
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Post by Sylwy »

Hello Maestro Valverde !

A bit of help !

In the previous game (EveAnn-Frittle) Scorpio bitbases were enabled but missing on this my PC.
Here is a winboard debug file from a game EveAnn-Djinn 0.925x with all the three bitbases options ( path , cache , men number) disabled in EveAnn.ini file:

www.spaadyshare.com/KH2YAORVV1BW/winboard.zip

If you are interested , this evening , I can send you also a debug file with Scorpio bitbases installed and enabled - from my private bunker ! :lol:

The phenomenon is the same !

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Guenther wrote: I noticed though that you played with ponder on and that EveAnn reached
abnormal low depths.


Guenther

Nope , Maestro Guenther !

PONDER_ENABLED = NO in EveAnn.ini file - in both games !!


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Re: Señor Valverde , your order was accomplished !

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Sylwy wrote:
Guenther wrote: I noticed though that you played with ponder on and that EveAnn reached
abnormal low depths.


Guenther

Nope , Maestro Guenther !

PONDER_ENABLED = NO in EveAnn.ini file - in both games !!


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SilvianR :wink:
That's the problem ;-) You played with ponder on, but disabled it in
EveAnns ini file, which means the opponent pondered and EveAnn not.
Still this does not explain the crashing though.

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Well, for some reason EveAnn is playing at 6 knps in all the samples you have sent/shown. Yes, it is not a fast engine but not so slow either :-), in an average system it would search at 300-400 knps and reaching 12-13 plies in a 40/5 game instead of 5-7 plies.

Maybe can you try with ponder off for both engines? Thanks in advance

NOTE : 1.67 has hard-coded ponder disabled, no matter if you set it to TRUE in ini file.
Saludos, Andres
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Re: Señor Valverde , your order was accomplished !

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Guenther wrote: That's the problem ;-) You played with ponder on, but disabled it in
EveAnns ini file, which means the opponent pondered and EveAnn not.
Still this does not explain the crashing though.

Guenther
EveAnn is getting very few CPU time (no idea why) and I guess it is missing WB commands because of that.
Saludos, Andres