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Henk
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Re: REAL Elo Machine playing humans

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Henk wrote:
Don wrote:
fern wrote:BTW, even if it sound weird, I have always tried NOT TO learn the weaknesses of my dedicated units. In my logic, where fun is the thing to get, to do such a thing would be stupid as much I would lose at once the fun capabilities of the contrivance, not to mention I would make zero of my purchase.
I try always that each game be as the first I had against a machine. I try to win, but not because I know from the beginning how to do it.
The so called anti-computer chess is for me the the pinnacle of absurd.
That must be why computers love to play you! :-)

Seriously, I once had the beautiful wooden chess board ELITE fidelity machine and we were pretty evenly matched at the time. But for fun, almost as a puzzle to solve, I learned to beat it every time at several relatively fast levels by memorizing the moves I needed to play against every opening we would reach. I first learned to get it out of book quickly and then I had to learn to deal with the variety I would sometime get. Usually it played the same but in some position it would vary - so I had to learn to win from that position too. When I made mistakes I learned that I had to play something different. Over time I could beat it every time - and so I would move to the next level and start over. In a few case I could get a good start by playing what I had already learned as it would often make the same mistakes. But I never varied based on the level.

Strangely enough, I think this improved my play a great deal even though it was kind of a trick. It was a lot like doing opening preparation and in real tournament games I sometimes got to use that knowledge.

So I recommend this for opening preparation. Use your own openings and learn to deal with whatever the computer throws at you. If a human plays something unexpected ADD it to the book. After every loss you normally do that anyway, right?

Fern
When I was 15 years old I bought a chess challenger von fidelity[Deutsche sprache]. It costed me 500 guilders and I only earned 5 guilders a week. After one year I almost always won the game. In the next one or two years I only used it for five or ten minutes games. I could also set the challenger on analysis level. So I could play games that took a few days or more. But the playing of the challenger did not improve very much.
http://tluif.home.xs4all.nl/chescom/EngCCV_Du.html
I looked it up. Its Elo is 1359. So that's why it played so badly.javascript:emoticon(':cry:')
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Re: REAL Elo Machine playing humans

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If that was the computer you bought with so much difficulties, not amazing you defeated it so much because it was very weak. Champion Challenger was years light ahead of it.

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Re: REAL Elo Machine playing humans

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http://www.spacious-mind.com/html/champ ... enger.html

Yes champion has 1570 ELO. It costs $999 in 1981. Maybe that was too expensive for me. I don't know.

Strange when I looked back to it it made me feel very sad.
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Re: REAL Elo Machine playing humans

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I too feel that. Not rare; those years of the past coincide not only with those beautiful comps, but with my youth.
The way as I got Champion challenger being, as I was then, a guy with scarce resources, could deserves a novel.
Maybe one day..

Fern