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Lyudmil Tsvetkov



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PostPost subject: 2 queens    Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:45 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

I have a theory that 2 queens perform better than what their nominal values would suggest, as they are very fast and represent a force difficult to match. Coordination between 2 queens is unseen of in chess with other pieces.

However, most people seem to be of the opposite opinion, and some could even penalise a second queen. So I submit this moot question to your judgement.

[d]5rk1/1p3ppp/p1b5/8/8/4Q3/1P3PPP/6K1 w - - 0 1
   ::    ::    BR BK ::
:: BP ::    :: BP BP BP
BP :: BB ::    ::    ::
::    ::    ::    ::    
   ::    ::    ::    ::
::    ::    WQ    ::    
   WP    ::    WP WP WP
::    ::    ::    WK    

An absolutely equal position Q vs R+B+pawn.

[d]5rk1/1p1q1ppp/p1b5/8/8/2Q1Q3/1P3PPP/6K1 w - - 0 1
   ::    ::    BR BK ::
:: BP :: BQ :: BP BP BP
BP :: BB ::    ::    ::
::    ::    ::    ::    
   ::    ::    ::    ::
::    WQ    WQ    ::    
   WP    ::    WP WP WP
::    ::    ::    WK    

We add one queen each side. Who has the advantage now? (of course, Qg7 will not be considered)

[d]5rk1/1p1q1ppp/p1b3n1/8/8/2Q1Q1N1/1P3PPP/6K1 w - - 0 1
   ::    ::    BR BK ::
:: BP :: BQ :: BP BP BP
BP :: BB ::    :: BN ::
::    ::    ::    ::    
   ::    ::    ::    ::
::    WQ    WQ    WN    
   WP    ::    WP WP WP
::    ::    ::    WK    

Adding more pieces to obtain a more realistic position. Who has the advantage now? (of course, adding pieces usually helps the side with more pieces, i.e. black, but that is a special case)

Maybe someone could post engine output on the above positions to help resolve the dilemma.

I myself would give some 50cps additional bonus for 2 queens, if not more.

In any case, in all the games I have seen with 2 queens, the queens have prevailed.

What is your opinion, are 2 queens an asset or a liability?
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2 queens Lyudmil Tsvetkov Fri Jun 20, 2014 4:45 pm
      Re: 2 queens Lyudmil Tsvetkov Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:22 pm
            Re: 2 queens kgburcham Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:45 pm
                  Re: 2 queens Lyudmil Tsvetkov Fri Jun 20, 2014 7:52 pm
                        Re: 2 queens Louis Zulli Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:16 pm
                              Re: 2 queens Louis Zulli Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:33 pm
                                    Re: 2 queens Louis Zulli Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:46 pm
                                          Re: 2 queens Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:12 am
                                                Re: 2 queens H.G.Muller Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:37 am
      Re: 2 queens H.G.Muller Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:33 pm
      Re: 2 queens kgburcham Fri Jun 20, 2014 8:50 pm
            Re: 2 queens Lyudmil Tsvetkov Sat Jun 21, 2014 1:05 am
            Re: 2 queens Louis Zulli Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:20 pm
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