ChessUSA.com TalkChess.com
Hosted by Your Move Chess & Games
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Two Pawn Handicap
Post new topic    TalkChess.com Forum Index -> Computer Chess Club: Tournaments and Matches Flat
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Larry Kaufman



Joined: 10 Jan 2010
Posts: 2856
Location: Maryland USA

PostPost subject: Two Pawn Handicap    Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:40 am Reply to topic Reply with quote

It seems most of us underestimated the grandmaster in this match or at least underestimated the handicap. I think it's pretty obvious now that the handicap of f2 and c2 pawns was just too much for anyone or anything to give to a grandmaster in a serious game. Yet Komodo won fairly easily playing Black and giving the f7 pawn only, which is the worst pawn for Black to remove.
I think two pawn handicap is still playable against an ordinary (around 2500) grandmaster, if we are a bit more conservative about the choice of the pawns. As it was, White was not only two pawns down, but his king was weakened and his pawns were split up into three groups. Moreover he only had two of the four pawns that can control central squares. I chose this handicap out of deference to the tradition of giving the "f" pawn as a handicap, but it's just too difficult, especially if repeated game after game while the grandmaster learns each time.
When Kasparov gave two pawns to Terrence Chapman (said to be 2150 level) in a match, he removed the "a" pawn plus one other varying pawn. This is what we should have done too, although I think it was a bit unfair to play one game with both edge pawns removed, which is probably no more than the f7 handicap. I think Komodo can still offer two pawns to a grandmaster, if one is the "a" pawn and the other rotates between "b", "c", "d", and "e". These feel more like "just" a two pawn handicap with no added positional advantages on top.
Comments, anyone?
_________________
Komodo rules!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Subject Author Date/Time
Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:40 am
      Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jean Baptiste Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:23 am
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jhor A. Vi Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:18 am
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Nuno Sousa Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:24 am
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jhor A. Vi Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:03 am
      Re: Two Pawn Handicap Vincent Lejeune Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:55 am
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap duncan roberts Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:22 am
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Vincent Lejeune Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:34 am
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:00 pm
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:54 pm
      Re: Two Pawn Handicap Uri Blass Thu Aug 06, 2015 11:38 am
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jesse Gersenson Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:35 pm
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:32 am
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jesse Gersenson Fri Aug 07, 2015 7:52 am
      Re: Two Pawn Handicap Albert Greiner Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:12 pm
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Nuno Sousa Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:33 pm
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:55 pm
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Albert Greiner Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:23 pm
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:25 pm
                              Re: Two Pawn Handicap Albert Greiner Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:34 pm
                                    Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Thu Aug 06, 2015 6:48 pm
                                          Re: Two Pawn Handicap Albert Greiner Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:28 pm
                              Re: Two Pawn Handicap Matthew Hull Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:06 pm
                                    Re: Two Pawn Handicap Kai Laskos Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:25 pm
                                          Re: Two Pawn Handicap Matthew Hull Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:35 pm
                                    Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:28 am
                                          Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jean Baptiste Fri Aug 07, 2015 5:33 am
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Uri Blass Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:28 pm
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jesse Gersenson Thu Aug 06, 2015 9:25 pm
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Albert Greiner Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:19 pm
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jhor A. Vi Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:45 am
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap Uri Blass Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:28 am
      Re: Two Pawn Handicap Kai Laskos Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:59 am
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap duncan roberts Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:47 pm
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Kai Laskos Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:05 pm
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap duncan roberts Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:25 am
                              Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Sun Aug 09, 2015 1:49 pm
                                    Re: Two Pawn Handicap duncan roberts Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:11 pm
                                          Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:53 pm
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Mark Lefler Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:15 pm
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap duncan roberts Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:17 pm
                              Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:23 pm
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:58 pm
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jean Baptiste Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:38 pm
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jean Baptiste Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:43 pm
                              Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jean Baptiste Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:53 pm
                                    Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:15 pm
                                          Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jesse Gersenson Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:38 pm
                                                Re: Two Pawn Handicap Nuno Sousa Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:30 pm
                                                      Re: Two Pawn Handicap Guenther Simon Fri Aug 07, 2015 8:34 pm
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap duncan roberts Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:26 pm
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Kai Laskos Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:16 pm
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jesse Gersenson Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:00 pm
                              Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:11 pm
                                    Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jean Baptiste Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:24 pm
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:24 am
                              Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jean Baptiste Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:55 am
                                    Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:41 pm
                                          Re: Two Pawn Handicap Uri Blass Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:54 pm
                                                Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:51 pm
      Re: Two Pawn Handicap Garrett Kingman Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:32 pm
            Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:20 pm
                  Re: Two Pawn Handicap Jhor A. Vi Mon Aug 10, 2015 2:55 am
                        Re: Two Pawn Handicap Larry Kaufman Mon Aug 10, 2015 4:10 am
Post new topic    TalkChess.com Forum Index -> Computer Chess Club: Tournaments and Matches

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum




Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group
Enhanced with Moby Threads