I have absolutely no idea why you still think somebody and especially me would want to change FIDE rules? They are fine, nearly perfect, for ever, written in golden letters. We are talking about engine tournaments. FIDE rules do not apply in that case.syzygy wrote:It has to be the engine that plays?Ralph Stoesser wrote:I can't see why it should be broken. It's not the question if someone may be able to show that a checkmate is unavoidable. That someone has to be the engine that plays, and as long as the adjucation tb is state of the art there will be no problem. I would call that progress.
In game 17, both engines were able to show that the position was a draw.
How will you modify your condition now to make it fit your ideal?
In the time loss example white was able to show that the position was a win. Why should he not have been awarded the win?
And do you realise that you are skewing the game rules in favour of the side making the prediction that it can mate (no matter the time it would take him or the number of moves it would take him) over the side that actually tries to play out the win over the board (but then runs into a 50-move draw or runs out of time)?
Then there are the TCEC rules, in particular the TB adjucation rule. There is obviously something broken. Game 17 shouldn't have been adjucated as a win, because both engines are playing with a TB setup that includes the 50 move draw rule, but the adjucation system doesn't. That wrong adjucation (actually there are two cases) should have been manually corrected.
In the end we would of course like to have an adjucation system that would be fair without any invention from a tournament director.
My wish for the next TCEC tournament would be:
Cutechess with 6 piece TB adjucation but without 50 move draw rule restriction. All engines playing with the same TB setup, also without 50 move draw rule restriction (or without TB at all). No other changes. Especially no changes in FIDE tournaments where humans are involved. Lol.
Now what exactly would be the problem with this setup?