TCEC 10

Damir · Post by **Damir** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 6:35 pm

No adjustments. Komodo must suffer. The version Komodo is playing with should have been tested before the super final, and found out if it was buggy or not... Komodo should not have any kind of special treatment

whereagles · Post by **whereagles** » Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:53 pm

Well.. rules allow one update during stage to fix play limiting bugs.

Geonerd · Post by **Geonerd** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:10 am

It looks like Komodo is now running ~20% slower than in prior rounds.

How many ELO is that supposed to be worth?
I can't imagine K's NUMA bug is entirely responsible for the thrashing it's receiving.

Leo · Post by **Leo** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:32 am

About Houdini overall, there is something I like about its piece sacrifices and willingness to take calculated chances.

syzygy · Post by **syzygy** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 12:54 am

Geonerd wrote:It looks like Komodo is now running ~20% slower than in prior rounds.

How many ELO is that supposed to be worth?
I can't imagine K's NUMA bug is entirely responsible for the thrashing it's receiving.

Indeed. Bad luck probably plays a bigger role.

Milos · Post by **Milos** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 3:38 am

syzygy wrote:
Geonerd wrote:It looks like Komodo is now running ~20% slower than in prior rounds.

How many ELO is that supposed to be worth?
I can't imagine K's NUMA bug is entirely responsible for the thrashing it's receiving.
Indeed. Bad luck probably plays a bigger role.

Not such thing as bad luck. It is currently +5=20-0 which translates to
70+/-56Elo (2 sigma error bars).
Houdini is simply a stronger engine.

shrapnel · Post by **shrapnel** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 4:50 am

I read from TCEC chat, that ML confirmed Komodo 1970 has NUMA bug causing slow speed

That is just loser whining, nothing else.
Komodo is a good Engine and in some ways even better than Houdini, but Lefler is simply paying the price of being over-cautious with his ridiculous Contempt 0.
In Chess, as in Life, sometimes chances have to be taken to achieve something worthwhile.
He who Dares, Wins !

About Houdini overall, there is something I like about its piece sacrifices and willingness to take calculated chances.

That's EXACTLY what positive Contempt is about !

Modern Times · Post by **Modern Times** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:43 am

Damir wrote:No adjustments. Komodo must suffer. The version Komodo is playing with should have been tested before the super final, and found out if it was buggy or not... Komodo should not have any kind of special treatment

Agree. The engine isn't crashing, it isn't causing problems with GUI or hardware, and isn't losing on time.

JJJ · Post by **JJJ** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:45 am

20% Slower means Komodo might loose something like 15 to 20 elo I guess ? Can someone estimate it ?

syzygy · Post by **syzygy** » Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:37 am

Milos wrote:
syzygy wrote:
Geonerd wrote:It looks like Komodo is now running ~20% slower than in prior rounds.

How many ELO is that supposed to be worth?
I can't imagine K's NUMA bug is entirely responsible for the thrashing it's receiving.
Indeed. Bad luck probably plays a bigger role.
Not such thing as bad luck. It is currently +5=20-0 which translates to
70+/-56Elo (2 sigma error bars).
Houdini is simply a stronger engine.

In a match with two equally strong engines, there is a 1 in 16 probability that the first 5 wins are by the same engine. Are you seriously claiming that there is no such thing as a 1 in 16 event?

But I was not even suggesting that they are equally strong. I just pointed out that there is no reason to suspect that the version of Komodo now playing is seriously bugged, i.e. beyond having lower nps than the earlier versions.

I recently ran a test that had one engine lead the other 10-1-19 before it got trashed. It just got lucky in those first 30 games. Such things happen all the time.

TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10

Re: TCEC 10