TCEC 10

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Jouni wrote:6 - 1 for Houdini. With traditional human Wch rules it's over! Minor interest: will Houdini get black win? I predict yes.
Right now, there are 55 out of 100 games not completed with score:
Komodo + 1 = 34 - 7
Which means it is possible to finish +56 = 34 -7
Though admittedly (cough) highly unlikely.

So I am wondering what kind of cock-eyed traditional rules mandate a win for the side with advantage at this point? It is (quite frankly) absurd unless they have "skunk" or "mercy" rules.
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Dann Corbit wrote:
Jouni wrote:6 - 1 for Houdini. With traditional human Wch rules it's over! Minor interest: will Houdini get black win? I predict yes.
Right now, there are 55 out of 100 games not completed with score:
Komodo + 1 = 34 - 7
Which means it is possible to finish +56 = 34 -7
Though admittedly (cough) highly unlikely.

So I am wondering what kind of cock-eyed traditional rules mandate a win for the side with advantage at this point? It is (quite frankly) absurd unless they have "skunk" or "mercy" rules.
Traditional human wch rules say that the side that get 6 wins first win.
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Dann Corbit wrote:
Jouni wrote:6 - 1 for Houdini. With traditional human Wch rules it's over! Minor interest: will Houdini get black win? I predict yes.
Right now, there are 55 out of 100 games not completed with score:
Komodo + 1 = 34 - 7
Which means it is possible to finish +56 = 34 -7
Though admittedly (cough) highly unlikely.
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The z-value (W+L)/sqrt(W-L) is currently 5/3=1.66, well within the 95% interval [-1.96,1.96]. So the claims that Komodo is being routed were premature.

Of course we have to wait for the final outcome but currently there is little hard evidence to back up the general perception here that Houdini is now somehow "much stronger" than Komodo.
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Michel wrote:The z-value (W+L)/sqrt(W-L) is currently 5/3=1.66, well within the 95% interval [-1.96,1.96]. So the claims that Komodo is being routed were premature.

Of course we have to wait for the final outcome but currently there is little hard evidence to back up the general perception here that Houdini is now somehow "much stronger" than Komodo.
Correct the signs, to be pedantic :).
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Dyslexia... (W-L)/sqrt(W+L).
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Geonerd wrote:[profanity], this is a pedantic, argumentative bunch! :(

Have any of the people lecturing the world on "correct statistics" even looked at the bleeping games???
IMO, Houdini has a clear 'pull' over Komodo in the middle-game, and is generally the one with winning chances. Combine that with the current score and - yea - I'd call it a 'thrashing.'
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Komodo soon at 3:7 =42 and being the first to win with Black!
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Guenther wrote:All people who never believed in stats will learn the hard way in the TCEC final.
They will learn? :o

This is a pattern that will keep repeating. Engines are judged by their last game only.
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Michel wrote:Dyslexia... (W-L)/sqrt(W+L).
Didn't realise I was dyslexic until I went to a toga party dressed as a goat.
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