Always same bla, bla, no substance. It's clear you are approaching argument like a fan and not from a rational point of view. So I'll leave you to cheer.Guenther wrote:Still in your usual mood? Those 'manners' get a bit boring over time,
especially your childish abuse of smilies, which statistically increased
a lot over the last months.
There is no statistical evidence that Houdini or Komodo is better.
No one so far produced a significant amount of games that would proof one of them being better.
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There is not much difference in statistics between Houdini and Komodo: http://www.sp-cc.de/long-thinkingtime.htm:
Houdini-Komodo: 741 (+118,=529,- 94)
Houdini-Komodo: 741 (+118,=529,- 94)
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Seems very likely Houdini is stronger...sovaz1997 wrote:There is not much difference in statistics between Houdini and Komodo: http://www.sp-cc.de/long-thinkingtime.htm:
Houdini-Komodo: 741 (+118,=529,- 94)
games = 741
win% = 0.516194
elo = +11.2569
los = 0.945045
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You don't need a large # of games if the margin of victory is big enough...Guenther wrote:
There is no statistical evidence that Houdini or Komodo is better.
No one so far produced a significant amount of games that would proof one of them being better.
http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/40 ... 4-bit_4CPU
Houdini 6 vs Komodo 11.2
(+10−1=46)
games = 57
win% = 0.578947
elo = +55.3211
los = 0.994617
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This is cherry picking a 57 games interim match result.kranium wrote:You don't need a large # of games if the margin of victory is big enough...Guenther wrote:
There is no statistical evidence that Houdini or Komodo is better.
No one so far produced a significant amount of games that would proof one of them being better.
http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/40 ... 4-bit_4CPU
Houdini 6 vs Komodo 11.2
(+10−1=46)
games = 57
win% = 0.578947
elo = +55.3211
los = 0.994617
Why not posting the full results table with other games included?
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2 Houdini 6 64-bit 4CPU 3412 +22 -22 69.7% -128.3 54.5% 664
3 Komodo 11.2 64-bit 4CPU 3398 +19 -19 67.4% -113.9 53.8% 864
this is just for 4 cpus and not TCEC hardware...
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Guenther wrote:This is cherry picking a 57 games interim match result.kranium wrote:You don't need a large # of games if the margin of victory is big enough...Guenther wrote:
There is no statistical evidence that Houdini or Komodo is better.
No one so far produced a significant amount of games that would proof one of them being better.
http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/40 ... 4-bit_4CPU
Houdini 6 vs Komodo 11.2
(+10−1=46)
games = 57
win% = 0.578947
elo = +55.3211
los = 0.994617
Why not posting the full results table with other games included?
Nothing to conclude with that error bars - we still know nothing andCode: Select all
2 Houdini 6 64-bit 4CPU 3412 +22 -22 69.7% -128.3 54.5% 664 3 Komodo 11.2 64-bit 4CPU 3398 +19 -19 67.4% -113.9 53.8% 864
this is just for 4 cpus and not TCEC hardware...
The point was LOS calculation, which can be applied to 2 engines only
Weren't you talking about Houdini vs Komodo, like now in TCEC...?
If so, there's plenty of data like the 2 examples I posted above.
http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20Li ... ion/8.html
Houdini 6.0 x64 1CPU -3360 vs Komodo 11.2 x64 1CPU - 3332
+ 22 = 66 - 12
games = 100
win% = 0.55
elo = +34.8601
los = 0.950873
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[quote="Guenther"]
There is no statistical evidence that Houdini or Komodo is better.
No one so far produced a significant amount of games that would proof one of them being better.
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You are right.
But the one question is "What is the better engine?" and the other question is
"What engine may be the winner of TCEC?"
To give the right answer to the question one we would get lot of thousand games.
To give the right answer to the second question we have enough games yet.
In my opinion there is a small difference between Houidini and Kimodo in Elo number but the advantage is in the side of Houdini.
There is no statistical evidence that Houdini or Komodo is better.
No one so far produced a significant amount of games that would proof one of them being better.
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You are right.
But the one question is "What is the better engine?" and the other question is
"What engine may be the winner of TCEC?"
To give the right answer to the question one we would get lot of thousand games.
To give the right answer to the second question we have enough games yet.
In my opinion there is a small difference between Houidini and Kimodo in Elo number but the advantage is in the side of Houdini.
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Congratulations Robert on winning the TCEC Season 10.
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Meanwhile, Houdini is winning with black ...
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