Stockfish Zero aka Leela Chess Zero ponder on

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Stockfish Zero aka Leela Chess Zero ponder on

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Why there is no ponder on option?
Is it possible to use always, automatically ponder on?
It will play hundreds of elos stronger!

Can we have a turn ponder off option?

Also we can start ponder on matches.
With full strength from hardware, because it will be a gpu vs cpu engine fight:)
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Hai wrote:Why there is no ponder on option?
Is it possible to use always, automatically ponder on?
It will play hundreds of elos stronger!

Can we have a turn ponder off option?

Also we can start ponder on matches.
With full strength from hardware, because it will be a gpu vs cpu engine fight:)
AFAIK currently it cannot ponder at all.
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Hai wrote:Why there is no ponder on option?
Is it possible to use always, automatically ponder on?
It will play hundreds of elos stronger!

Can we have a turn ponder off option?

Also we can start ponder on matches.
With full strength from hardware, because it will be a gpu vs cpu engine fight:)
Can't assert your question, but pondering does not add hundreds of ELO. It will add ELO , but it will be less than a hundred ELO. How far less I'm not sure.
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Michael B: ~50 elo under right conditions. From what I’ve heard some claim.
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Guenther wrote:
Hai wrote:Why there is no ponder on option?
Is it possible to use always, automatically ponder on?
It will play hundreds of elos stronger!

Can we have a turn ponder off option?

Also we can start ponder on matches.
With full strength from hardware, because it will be a gpu vs cpu engine fight:)
AFAIK currently it cannot ponder at all.
But why?
Is it so hard to write code for ponder on?
To run with ponder is a standard since 20 years.
And we want a fight with full strength.
And also fair play, because when Zero thinks about his move, then I'm using his time for the game too.
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Nordlandia wrote:Michael B: ~50 elo under right conditions. From what I’ve heard some claim.
It brings much more, because it's a gpu, nn based engine.
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Nordlandia wrote:Michael B: ~50 elo under right conditions. From what I’ve heard some claim.
Far less than that. First it's too weak, second it's unconventional so ponder-hit ratio will be extremely low. Below 30% for sure. So less than 20Elo in non-STC.
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Hai wrote:
Nordlandia wrote:Michael B: ~50 elo under right conditions. From what I’ve heard some claim.
It brings much more, because it's a gpu, nn based engine.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Do you even know what is ponder?
GPU-based engine, that's a pearl. That's wrong on so many levels. If you really wanna simplify then it is a dot-product engine.
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Milos wrote:
Hai wrote:
Nordlandia wrote:Michael B: ~50 elo under right conditions. From what I’ve heard some claim.
It brings much more, because it's a gpu, nn based engine.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Do you even know what is ponder?
GPU-based engine, that's a pearl. That's wrong on so many levels. If you really wanna simplify then it is a dot-product engine.
Will tensor cores speed up calculation?