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so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka?
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an even match GM vs Rybka
pawn and move
52%
 52%  [ 12 ]
two pawns
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
two pawns and move
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
knight
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
knight and move
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
Voted : 23
Total Votes : 23
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Uri Blass



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PostPost subject: Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka?    Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:42 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Mike S. wrote:
Alkelele wrote:
it will never be possible for engines to give GMs queen-odds.


Never say never. Rolling Eyes It sounds like opinions from the past, like

"Chess computers will never reach club player level."

After that has turned out wrong:

"But a chess program will never beat an IM..." (etc.)

Imagine somebody would have predicted in 1987, "a computer will give pawn odds to Ehlvest and win 3 games in a row!" Imagine the responses he might have got. Very Happy


This is clearly different.
I never thought that chess computer will never reach club player level and it was always obvious for me that computers can get higher level than humans in every field.

people who claimed that computers will never reach club player level simply did not understand computers

People who claim that it may be possible that computers can give GM queen odd and still win or draw simply do not understand chess.

My opinion is that it is even impossible to do it without a knight and when you talk about a queen I am simply sure about it.

Uri
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so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:01 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Harvey Williamson Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:13 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:21 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:26 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Harvey Williamson Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:31 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:36 pm
                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? JonP01 Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:55 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:48 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:38 pm
                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:11 pm
                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:15 pm
                                                Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:07 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Harvey Williamson Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:54 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Albert Silver Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:57 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:09 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:11 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Tord Romstad Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:56 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Harvey Williamson Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:55 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:23 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Dom Leste Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:53 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:04 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:53 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Alkelele Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:06 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:23 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:42 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:21 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:42 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:55 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:59 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:02 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:02 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:04 pm
                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:15 pm
                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? cooldalek Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:17 pm
                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:23 pm
                                                Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:34 pm
                                                      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:16 pm
                                                      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:56 pm
                                                            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:03 pm
                                                                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:21 pm
                                                                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:25 pm
                                                                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:54 am
                                                                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Graham Banks Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:06 am
                                                                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? JonP01 Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:40 am
                                                                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:19 pm
                                                                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Joseph Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:46 pm
                                                                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:04 am
                                                                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:22 am
                                                Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? cooldalek Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:57 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Steve B Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:10 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Cobweb Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:18 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Graham Banks Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:50 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? George Speight Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:10 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:00 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Dave McClain Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:21 pm
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