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so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka?
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an even match GM vs Rybka
pawn and move
52%
 52%  [ 12 ]
two pawns
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
two pawns and move
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
knight
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
knight and move
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
Voted : 23
Total Votes : 23
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Uri Blass



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PostPost subject: Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka?    Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:22 am Reply to topic Reply with quote
NKOTB wrote:
if you are 1800, rook odds is about an even match at 5 minutes per game. if you are 2000, knight or bishop sounds about right. You can not the smallest tactical mistake against engines rated 3000 and higher. One really needs to understand what 3000 means before club players try there hand. Lucky for us (I left chess at 1795 USCF), some of these 3000 type engines are free. Grab one, play at odds and report back the results.


Here is the opinion of larry kaufman from his experience about knight odd matchs against rybka on a fast quad machine(assuming the machine has some small opening book or the human is not prepared and the knight is knight b1)

if you are 2400 player knight b1 odd is right in 5+0 game
If the time limit is longer 5+5 then 2300 level is right
If the time control is 40 moves/2 hours then 2000 level is right.

I believe that his opinion is more realistic than your opinion.
link for his opinion

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=541;pid=4732;msg=ReplyPost#pid4732

see the post from
Date 2007-03-08 01:59

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so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:01 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Harvey Williamson Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:13 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:21 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:26 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Harvey Williamson Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:31 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:36 pm
                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? JonP01 Wed Mar 07, 2007 12:55 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:48 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:38 pm
                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:11 pm
                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:15 pm
                                                Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:07 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Harvey Williamson Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:54 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Albert Silver Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:57 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:09 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:11 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Tord Romstad Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:56 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Harvey Williamson Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:55 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mark Schreiber Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:23 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Dom Leste Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:53 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:04 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:53 pm
      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Alkelele Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:06 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:23 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:42 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:21 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Wed Mar 07, 2007 3:42 pm
                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:55 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:59 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:02 pm
                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:02 pm
                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:04 pm
                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:15 pm
                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? cooldalek Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:17 pm
                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:23 pm
                                                Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Mike Scheidl Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:34 pm
                                                      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:16 pm
                                                      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:56 pm
                                                            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:03 pm
                                                                  Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:21 pm
                                                                        Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:25 pm
                                                                              Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:54 am
                                                                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Graham Banks Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:06 am
                                                                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? JonP01 Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:40 am
                                                                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? ologist Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:19 pm
                                                                                          Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Joseph Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:46 pm
                                                                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:04 am
                                                                                    Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? Uri Blass Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:22 am
                                                Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? cooldalek Wed Mar 07, 2007 7:57 pm
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      Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? George Speight Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:10 pm
            Re: so what is a fair GM handicap vs Rybka? NKOTB Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:00 pm
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