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What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?
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Dr.Wael Deeb



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PostPost subject: Re: My experience with Toga II 1.3x4    Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:35 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Stephen Ham wrote:
Dear gents,

I tend to play games at very long time controls. For example, 180/40 is my norm. I began by giving Toga II 1.3x4 the same book as 1.2.1a. While it sometimes matches 1.2.1a's results in tournaments (including two Rybkas, Spike 1.2 Turin, Shredder 9, Fruit 2.2.1, and Naum 2.0), it usually fell short of the ealier version.

So I've recently given 1.3x4 a different bok, only to see it steadily fall lower on the tournament roster.

Last night, for a change of pace, I played a very fast tournament (relative to what I normally play) - game 15+1" for each engine. The tourney just finished and Toga II 1.3x4 finished last with 2/7, while 1.2.1a was third with 4/7 (behind the two Rybkas which tied for first, and Fruit 2.2.1).

I'm just starting to analyze the moves now, but it seems to be that Toga II 1.3x4's problems are not just with egtbs. Instead, its move selection seems weaker than 1.2.1a.

Since I play games at very long time controls, my problem is that I generate a small selection of games to evaluate. Thus, while I don't have quantity, I have quality games. But it seems that regardless of book or time-control, Toga 1.3x4 has yet to surpass 1.2.1a in tournaments. However, I've yet to play them against each other in a match with the same book. There'd be value in doing that if it weren't for the fact that 1.3x4 is scheduled to be "fixed". So, I'll spend my quality time only with the "fixed" version.

All the best,
Steve


Hi Steve,
Thanks for the answer,I have the same impression and results so far Cool
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What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:31 am
      Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Mike Scheidl Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:01 am
            Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:43 am
                  Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Mike Scheidl Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:54 am
                        Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:15 am
                              Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Eelco de Groot Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:04 pm
                                    Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Leto Atreides Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:10 pm
                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Eelco de Groot Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:43 pm
                                                Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:24 pm
                                                      Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:27 pm
                                                            Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Uri Blass Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:34 pm
                                                                  Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:17 am
                                                                        Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:44 am
                                                                              Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:47 am
                                                                                    Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:51 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Uri Blass Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:55 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:58 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:06 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Tony Thomas Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:11 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:20 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:40 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:55 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:06 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Denis P. Mendoza Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:01 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:11 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:35 am
                                                                                          This thread has been moderated. Graham Banks Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:08 pm
                                                                                          Re: This thread has been moderated. Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:42 pm
                                                                                          Re: This thread has been moderated. Graham Banks Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:49 pm
                                                                                          Re: This thread has been moderated. Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: This thread has been moderated. Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:04 pm
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                                                                                          Re: This thread has been moderated. Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:23 pm
                                                                                          Re: This thread has been moderated. Shaun Brewer Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:50 pm
                                                                                          Re: This thread has been moderated. Shaun Brewer Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:35 pm
                                                                                          Re: This thread has been moderated. Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:36 pm
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:05 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:08 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:13 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:15 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:59 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:07 am
                                                                              Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:49 am
                                                      Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Eelco de Groot Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:27 pm
                                                            Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:13 pm
                                                                  Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:11 pm
                                                                        Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Eelco de Groot Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:43 am
                                                                              Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:27 am
                                                                                    Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Eelco de Groot Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:12 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Eelco de Groot Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:26 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:49 am
                                                                              Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:31 pm
                                                                        Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:15 am
                                                                              Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Graham Banks Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:28 am
                                                                                    Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:45 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:48 am
                                                                              Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:46 am
                                                                                    Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Tony Thomas Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:50 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Terry McCracken Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:54 am
                                                                                          Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:57 am
                              Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Uri Blass Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:16 pm
                                    My experience with Toga II 1.3x4 Stephen Ham Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:28 pm
                                          Re: My experience with Toga II 1.3x4 Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:31 pm
                                          Re: My experience with Toga II 1.3x4 Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:35 pm
      Some more data to the fire :-) Ingo Bauer Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:27 am
            Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Dr.Wael Deeb Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:35 am
                  Re: Some more data to the fire :-) nuff Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:41 am
                        Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Spock Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:03 am
                        Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Ingo Bauer Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:50 pm
                        Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:55 pm
                              Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Ingo Bauer Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:15 pm
                              Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Graham Banks Sun Apr 08, 2007 9:07 pm
                                    Re: Some more data to the fire :-) nuff Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:54 am
                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:59 am
                                                Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:36 pm
                                                      Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Ingo Bauer Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:47 pm
                                                            Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Uri Blass Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:02 pm
                                                                  Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Ingo Bauer Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:25 pm
                                                            Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Tony Thomas Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:03 pm
                                                            Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:55 pm
                                                                  Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Ingo Bauer Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:30 pm
                                                                        Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:37 pm
                                                                              Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Uri Blass Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:14 pm
                                                                                    Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:34 am
                                                                              Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Graham Banks Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:00 pm
                                                                                    Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:36 am
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Graham Banks Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:44 am
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Uri Blass Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:58 am
                                                                              Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:06 am
                                                                                    Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Terry McCracken Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:19 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Terry McCracken Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:21 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:23 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Terry McCracken Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:28 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Eelco de Groot Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:33 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Terry McCracken Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:17 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:19 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Terry McCracken Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:26 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Eelco de Groot Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:42 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Terry McCracken Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:44 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:43 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:34 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:59 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Graham Banks Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:21 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:26 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Uri Blass Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:26 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:01 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:13 am
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Ernest Bonnem Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:31 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:52 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Ernest Bonnem Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:54 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Enrico Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:41 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:04 am
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Marc Lacrosse Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:35 am
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Sun Apr 15, 2007 9:08 am
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Thorsten Czub Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:22 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Terry McCracken Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:27 pm
      Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? Shaun Brewer Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:32 pm
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