What is New in Toga II 1.3x4?

[Graham Banks]

I have "cleaned up" this thread to remove the flaming and hopefully retain most of the substance.

I'd ask everybody to discuss the issues constructively, without losing their tempers and posting insults.

Regards, Graham (moderation)

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Thanks Graham for your efforts....
I was about to ask:
Is the new Toga realy stronger than the commercial Hiarcs 11.1 and stronger than the commercial LoopMP 12.32?
Please provide every known link or information which can be found,Thorsten already provided some links which by the way make me ask this question....

[Graham Banks]

Thanks Graham for your efforts....
I was about to ask:
Is the new Toga realy stronger than the commercial Hiarcs 11.1 and stronger than the commercial LoopMP 12.32?
Please provide every known link or information which can be found,Thorsten already provided some links which by the way make me ask this question....

Hi Wael,

CCRL testers are waiting for the egbb access bug to be addressed before testing Toga II 1.3x4 at 40/40.
However Shaun, who is a beta tester for Thomas, has tested Toga II 1.3x4 extensively at 40/4.
Shaun would be the best to ask as he'd know more than I do.

Regards, Graham.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Thanks for the reply Graham,
Let's hope that Shaun will spot some light on this issue as it seems that things are missed up regarding the new Toga's performance.....

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Just to add that when Toga 1.2.1a appeared,it was a clear improvement and there was no doubt about that.....

[mclane]

i have also no doubt. 40/4 is no serious test-level.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

i have also no doubt. 40/4 is no serious test-level.

It's in the blitz time control category,I am interested in longer time controls also....

[Stephen Ham]

Dear gents,

I tend to play games at very long time controls. For example, 180/40 is my norm. I began by giving Toga II 1.3x4 the same book as 1.2.1a. While it sometimes matches 1.2.1a's results in tournaments (including two Rybkas, Spike 1.2 Turin, Shredder 9, Fruit 2.2.1, and Naum 2.0), it usually fell short of the ealier version.

So I've recently given 1.3x4 a different bok, only to see it steadily fall lower on the tournament roster.

Last night, for a change of pace, I played a very fast tournament (relative to what I normally play) - game 15+1" for each engine. The tourney just finished and Toga II 1.3x4 finished last with 2/7, while 1.2.1a was third with 4/7 (behind the two Rybkas which tied for first, and Fruit 2.2.1).

I'm just starting to analyze the moves now, but it seems to be that Toga II 1.3x4's problems are not just with egtbs. Instead, its move selection seems weaker than 1.2.1a.

Since I play games at very long time controls, my problem is that I generate a small selection of games to evaluate. Thus, while I don't have quantity, I have quality games. But it seems that regardless of book or time-control, Toga 1.3x4 has yet to surpass 1.2.1a in tournaments. However, I've yet to play them against each other in a match with the same book. There'd be value in doing that if it weren't for the fact that 1.3x4 is scheduled to be "fixed". So, I'll spend my quality time only with the "fixed" version.

All the best,
Steve

[mclane]

strange.
i have the opposite effect.
i give them both the performance.bin.

in any tournament i have put them so far, the new version is above the old version.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Dear gents,

I tend to play games at very long time controls. For example, 180/40 is my norm. I began by giving Toga II 1.3x4 the same book as 1.2.1a. While it sometimes matches 1.2.1a's results in tournaments (including two Rybkas, Spike 1.2 Turin, Shredder 9, Fruit 2.2.1, and Naum 2.0), it usually fell short of the ealier version.

So I've recently given 1.3x4 a different bok, only to see it steadily fall lower on the tournament roster.

Last night, for a change of pace, I played a very fast tournament (relative to what I normally play) - game 15+1" for each engine. The tourney just finished and Toga II 1.3x4 finished last with 2/7, while 1.2.1a was third with 4/7 (behind the two Rybkas which tied for first, and Fruit 2.2.1).

I'm just starting to analyze the moves now, but it seems to be that Toga II 1.3x4's problems are not just with egtbs. Instead, its move selection seems weaker than 1.2.1a.

Since I play games at very long time controls, my problem is that I generate a small selection of games to evaluate. Thus, while I don't have quantity, I have quality games. But it seems that regardless of book or time-control, Toga 1.3x4 has yet to surpass 1.2.1a in tournaments. However, I've yet to play them against each other in a match with the same book. There'd be value in doing that if it weren't for the fact that 1.3x4 is scheduled to be "fixed". So, I'll spend my quality time only with the "fixed" version.

All the best,
Steve

Hi Steve,
Thanks for the answer,I have the same impression and results so far