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Thorsten Czub
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 Post subject: Re: Some more data to the fire :-) Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:37 pm |
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do you think that the ELO LIST guys switch learning off ?
what is the value of 100 diced elo list games ?
(did you get the impression that i talked about you?)
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| If so it seems you either underestimate a lot of people or you are a bit too confident about yourself! |
is this sentence meant as a question or as an insult ?
i do NOT read it ingo.
i was speaking in general.
if the elo-list guys switch learning OFF (that would imply they
change the DEFAULT settings of the programs), they would
get doubles and tripples and and and.
than they would have to throw those games out.
this would imply they do book-keeping .
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| Whats left of learning and book influence? Nothing! |
in the rating lists there is much left.
in a tournament where the opponents change each game,
the learning/book-line-learning mechanism cannot be as succesful.
and here we have the reason tournaments get different results
than matches eng-eng.
you say toga1.2.1a is stronger than 1.3x4. i do say the opposite.
if i would have had ANY tournament saying the opposite,
i would post it.
if it would be random, 1.2.1 would be stronger in one tournament, and 1.3 in the other. but this does not happen.
another example
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Motor Punkte RyToHiPxFrLoSpPyGlthCoToNoPr S-B
01: Rybka v2.3.lk.x64 8,5/9 · 1 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 30,25
02: TogaII1.3x4 [default] 7,5/9 · = = 1 1 1 1 1 = 1 26,00
03: Hiarcs11.1UCI 7,5/9 · = 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 19,00
04: program x 6,0/9 0 = = · = = 1 1 1 1 20,00
05: Fruit-061115a 6,0/9 0 = = · 1 = 1 = 1 1 18,75
06: LoopMP 12.32 5,0/9 0 0 = · = = 1 1 = 1 13,50
07: Spike1.2 4,5/8 0 0 1 · = = = 1 1 16,25
08: program y 4,5/9 = 0 0 0 = = · 1 1 1 15,50
09: Glaurung121-EM64T 3,0/8 0 0 0 = = = · = 1 9,25
10: theBaron1.8.1Uci 3,0/9 0 0 0 0 = 0 · 1 = 1 6,00
11: Colossus2006f 2,0/9 0 0 = 0 0 0 0 · = 1 4,75
12: TogaII1.2.1a 1,5/8 0 0 0 = 0 0 = = · 5,00
13: Now0704 1,0/8 0 = 0 0 0 0 = · 0 5,25
14: ProDeo1.2 1,0/9 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 · 1,00
61 Partien von 182 gespielt |
Intel6300, 25'+10", ponder:off
the only difference between these tournaments is, that the later
has the faster hardware, and the slower time controls.
and the gap between the results is even bigger.
this could indicate that with more computation time the gap increases. |
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 What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
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Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:31 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
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| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
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| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:17 am |
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:44 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
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| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
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| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
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| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:55 am |
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:01 am |
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Dr.Wael Deeb |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:11 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:35 am |
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:42 pm |
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Dr.Wael Deeb |
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Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:50 pm |
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Dr.Wael Deeb |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:36 pm |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:05 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Dr.Wael Deeb |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:08 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:13 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Dr.Wael Deeb |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:15 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:59 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Dr.Wael Deeb |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:07 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:49 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Eelco de Groot |
Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:27 pm |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Terry McCracken |
Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:13 pm |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Terry McCracken |
Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:11 pm |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Eelco de Groot |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 12:43 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Terry McCracken |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 1:27 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Eelco de Groot |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:12 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Eelco de Groot |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:26 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Terry McCracken |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:49 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Terry McCracken |
Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:31 pm |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:15 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Graham Banks |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:28 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:45 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Terry McCracken |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:48 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Terry McCracken |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:46 am |
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Tony Thomas |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:50 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Terry McCracken |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:54 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:57 am |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Uri Blass |
Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:16 pm |
| My experience with Toga II 1.3x4 |
Stephen Ham |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:28 pm |
| Re: My experience with Toga II 1.3x4 |
Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:31 pm |
| Re: My experience with Toga II 1.3x4 |
Dr.Wael Deeb |
Sat Apr 07, 2007 7:35 pm |
| Some more data to the fire :-) |
Ingo Bauer |
Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:27 am |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Dr.Wael Deeb |
Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:35 am |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
nuff |
Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:41 am |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
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Sun Apr 08, 2007 11:03 am |
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Ingo Bauer |
Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:50 pm |
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Thorsten Czub |
Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:55 pm |
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Ingo Bauer |
Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:15 pm |
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Graham Banks |
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nuff |
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| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:59 am |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:36 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Ingo Bauer |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:47 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Uri Blass |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:02 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Ingo Bauer |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:25 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Tony Thomas |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:03 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:55 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Ingo Bauer |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:30 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:37 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Uri Blass |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:14 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:34 am |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Graham Banks |
Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:00 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:36 am |
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Graham Banks |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:44 am |
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Uri Blass |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:58 am |
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Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:06 am |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Terry McCracken |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:00 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:19 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Terry McCracken |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:21 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:23 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Terry McCracken |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:28 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Eelco de Groot |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:33 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Terry McCracken |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:17 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:19 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Terry McCracken |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:26 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Eelco de Groot |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:42 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Terry McCracken |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:44 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:43 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:34 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:59 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Graham Banks |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:21 pm |
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Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:26 pm |
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Uri Blass |
Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:26 pm |
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Thorsten Czub |
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Thorsten Czub |
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Ernest Bonnem |
Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:31 pm |
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Thorsten Czub |
Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:52 pm |
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Ernest Bonnem |
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Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:41 pm |
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Thorsten Czub |
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Marc Lacrosse |
Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:35 am |
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Thorsten Czub |
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Thorsten Czub |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:22 pm |
| Re: Some more data to the fire :-) |
Terry McCracken |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:27 pm |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? |
Shaun Brewer |
Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:32 pm |
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Denis P. Mendoza |
Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:39 am |
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Shaun Brewer |
Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:54 pm |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? It is Windows-only engine |
glorfindel |
Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:02 pm |
| Re: What is New in Toga II 1.3x4? It is Windows-only engine |
Tony Thomas |
Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:42 am |
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glorfindel |
Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:24 pm |
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nas |
Mon Apr 16, 2007 10:19 pm |
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nas |
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