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Terry McCracken
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PostPost subject: Re: The Correct Solution?    Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:36 am Reply to topic Reply with quote

smirobth wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
smirobth wrote:
Karol Majewski wrote:
Marc MP wrote:
Karol Majewski wrote:
JVMerlino wrote:
Yep, that MIGHT hold. Not sure, but here's the continuation I see:

1.Qxe5 fxe5 2.Rf1 Qe7 3.Bd1 b5 4.Bb3 Rc4 5.Kg2 {avoiding check on c5} a6 6.Bxc4 bxc4 7.b3 cxb3 8.axb3 Qe8 9.c4 Qe7


I will play 8...a5! and after 9.c4 Qa3!

draw!

Hi Karol,

I think you're right, and 8...a5! will draw! This more or less refutes the solution I had:

1. Qxe5 fxe5 2. Rf1 Rc8 3. Bd1 Rc4 4. Bb3 b5 5. Bxc4 bxc4 6. b4 * which is similar.

So I searched for an improvement and I think I found one!

1. Qxe5 fxe5 2. Rf1 Rc8 3. Bd1 Rc4 4. Bb3 b5 5. a4! a6 {seems forced} 6. Ba2!! Qe7 {lets try this} 7. b4! *

Now white will capture the c4-rook with a winning Q-side pawn structure! Pushing the b-pawn will give an easy win!

Yes, you're right, Ba2 is winning even in line that I found. So the best line is: 1.Qxe5!!! fxe5 2.Rf1 Qe7 3.Bd1 Rc4 4.Bb3 b5 5.a4! a6 6.Ba2! and black is completely lost.

I remember seeing this same position on CCC a while back. I think White has a pretty easy time winning in a variety of ways. For example in the above line 1.Qxe5 fxe5 2.Rf1 Qe7 3.Bd1 Rc4 4.Bb3 b5 5.Bxc4 (instead of 5.a4) 5...bxc4 6.b3 should also win pretty easily for White. You can pretty much ignore all the program evaluations, since Black's rook and king are forever stuck in the corner, and likewise Black's queen mobility is severely hampered by the mate threat. Material is mostly irrelevant here. Computer's also have severe trouble due to the horizon effect, since it will take a little time for White's queenside pawns to get far enough down the board to create havoc. But when they do (and there is no way for Black to stop this) ..... game over.


Robin, do you have the entire game score for this position? I've tried to find it on the net but to no avail so far Sad

Best ,
Terry
Hi Terry,

Lewis Grimm already posted a game score up a few posts that I assume is correct. I am not sure where he found it, it doesn't seem to be in the big electronic databases. Lewis, can you name your source?


Opps! Embarassed I just found it thanks.... Anyway, I've got it for my records.

He either got it from a chess database he owns or from a chess book.
If he found it on the web, I'd like to know where as well!

Terry
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Test Position 2 Marc MP Sun Apr 08, 2007 7:31 pm
      Re: Test Position 2 Terry McCracken Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:04 pm
            Re: Test Position 2 Alessandro Scotti Sun Apr 08, 2007 8:29 pm
            Re: Test Position 2 John Merlino Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:33 am
            Re: Test Position 2 Robert Basham Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:38 pm
      Solution Marc MP Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:57 am
            Re: Solution Alex Brown Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:56 am
            Re: Solution Terry McCracken Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:49 am
                  Re: Solution Karol Majewski Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:44 am
                        Re: Solution John Merlino Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:40 pm
                              Re: Solution Ignacio Santos Mon Apr 09, 2007 6:13 pm
                                    Re: Solution John Merlino Mon Apr 09, 2007 7:47 pm
                              Re: Solution Karol Majewski Mon Apr 09, 2007 11:14 pm
                                    Re: The Correct Solution? Marc MP Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:08 am
                                          Re: The Correct Solution? Terry McCracken Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:27 am
                                                Re: The Correct Solution? Marc MP Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:46 am
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                                                                  Re: The Correct Solution? Terry McCracken Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:36 am
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