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Reinhard Scharnagl



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Location: Munich, Germany
PostPost subject: Re: The Go World....    Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:15 am Reply to topic Reply with quote
Daniel Mehrmann wrote:
smrf wrote:

Does anyone know, what happened to Ed Trice, the main author of GothicVortex? His website has not been updated for weeks and his online server for Gothic Chess is no longer answering.

just a question: What makes your Go plans ?

Hi Daniel,

Go is always present in my head. But still there are some very basic questions to be solved before starting any Go programming. Those all are related to the kind of influences a single stone has on a Go board.

My approach to chess programming has started in a comparable way. As you might know I developed a simple model on the average exchange values of different chess pieces. From that I could design a related evaluation concept. SMIRF still is based on the first ad hoc and very slowly working evaluation routine. Thus I am sure, that a completely rewritten SMIRF would improve significantly.

Daniel Mehrmann wrote:
I'm thinking Go is the ultimate challenge. Chess or variants of chess like chinese chess are working with the same concept. The strategy and flow of pieces are more or less the same, but Go is completly different.

In the meantime I have made concepts for a performant Go representation including moves and removes. Moreover the 10x8 SMIRF concept already is handling about 35% more moves a node as in traditional chess. Thus it could be seen as a challenge of intermediate level on the way to handle Go programming. In 10x8 chess you also could experience the raising of nearly independent battle fields, which is typical for Go.

Daniel Mehrmann wrote:
I've started to playing this game. This is my first stage. I want to learn it first. I want to understand the strategy, plan and ideas. I'm impressed so far. How deeper i'm going into the Go world, i realize how complex and difficult is this game. I'm starting to feel the power of this game move by move and game by game.

I bought 2 books, a board and pieces. I readed the books learning some basic stuff. I'm playing on a internet go server currently. Next week i'm going to a real Go club in Hannover and there will be start a Go tournament in 2 months...

I had some basic ideas for my Go program. But now, right now, i',m see the power, the flow and the energy of this game and i'm starting to rethink about my ideas.
However, it makes fun and i'm think i found my personal challenge to write a Go program. I feel chess was just a preparation for my Go program...

My personal experience is, that it is important to know a game by personal experience but to keep distant from practise and from trying to implement personal experiences during programming. Because that has to be done from a CPU's view. A human being is not able to decribe its modus operandi sufficiently exact, thus I regard it for to be a bad programming strategy to try to simulate human behaviour.

Go is still in my mind, but I probably will first rewrite SMIRF, to get my head free from still unimplemented strategies for my chess programming approach.

There still a to be recomended Go GUI seems to be missing, e.g. concerning pondering and flexible protocols. But I have not been watching the Go programming scene for a while. If you would be starting with that matter, may be it would be a good idea, to exchange ideas especially on a to be recommended flexible GUI.

Best regards, Reinhard.
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Test versions / private versions wanted for testing purposes Martin Thoresen Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:47 am
      Re: Test versions / private versions wanted for testing purp Reinhard Scharnagl Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:56 pm
            Re: Test versions / private versions wanted for testing purp Martin Thoresen Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:09 pm
                  Re: Test versions / private versions wanted for testing purp Reinhard Scharnagl Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:22 pm
                        Re: Test versions / private versions wanted for testing purp Martin Thoresen Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:36 pm
                              Protocols controlling the computerchess world ? Daniel Mehrmann Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:59 pm
                                    Re: Protocols controlling the computerchess world ? Stan Arts Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:00 pm
                                    Re: Protocols controlling the computerchess world ? Reinhard Scharnagl Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:38 pm
                                          Re: Protocols controlling the computerchess world ? Dann Corbit Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:28 am
                                                Re: Protocols controlling the computerchess world ? Reinhard Scharnagl Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:12 am
                                                      Re: Protocols controlling the computerchess world ? H.G.Muller Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:46 am
                                                            Re: Protocols controlling the computerchess world ? Reinhard Scharnagl Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:56 am
                                          The Go World.... Daniel Mehrmann Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:32 am
                                                Re: The Go World.... Reinhard Scharnagl Sun Apr 15, 2007 8:15 am
                        Re: Test versions / private versions wanted for testing purp H.G.Muller Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:32 pm
                              Re: Test ... / private versions ... Why SMIRF is different Reinhard Scharnagl Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:05 pm
                                    Re: Test ... / private versions ... Why SMIRF is different H.G.Muller Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:50 pm
                                          Re: Test ... / private versions ... Why SMIRF is different Dann Corbit Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:36 pm
                                          Re: Test ... / private versions ... Why SMIRF is different Reinhard Scharnagl Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:46 am
                                                Re: Test ... / private versions ... Why SMIRF is different H.G.Muller Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:50 pm
                                                      Re: Test ... / private versions ... Why SMIRF is different Reinhard Scharnagl Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:10 pm
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