First Result of Chess960 both using progress 10 10 10, Ray should test this version in his FRC Rating list. I believe it could be rated equal to Pharaon 351
PS: Dr. Wael please tell me now which side has a disadvantage, since both sides have a chance to play White and Black with the same starting position
Engine Score Mo Mo S-B
1: Movei00_8_418 21.0/40 ········································ 000=1110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_403 19.0/40 111=0001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00
40 games played / Tournament finished
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Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960
In my tests 4 6 10 is better than 10 10 10 for 403pichy wrote:First Result of Chess960 both using progress 10 10 10, Ray should test this version in his FRC Rating list. I believe it could be rated equal to Pharaon 351
PS: Dr. Wael please tell me now which side has a disadvantage, since both sides have a chance to play White and Black with the same starting position
Engine Score Mo Mo S-B
1: Movei00_8_418 21.0/40 ········································ 000=1110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_403 19.0/40 111=0001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00
40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
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results are
50.5-49.5 for 4 6 10 at 400,000 nodes per move
54-46 for 4 6 10 at 5,000,000 nodes per move
These results prove nothing about sueriority of 4 6 10 and results may be thanks to luck but I decided that together with your results against different opponents I have enough evidence to decide that 4 6 10 is slightly better for 403 relative to 10 10 10.
Note that 4 6 10 was not tested at FRC so I do not know if it is really better at FRC relative to 10 10 10 but I see no reason to assume that things will be different at FRC relative to normal chess.
I decided to ask Ray to test 403 now for the following reasons:
1)I believe that 403 is a significant improvement relative to 383(more than 20 elo improvement)
2)I believe that newer versions are only slightly better(less than 20 elo improvement)
3)Even in case that they were significantly better I prefer first to know the rating of 403.
Note that I am not sure about 1 and 2 and I may be wrong.
Uri
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960
Uri Blass wrote:In my tests 4 6 10 is better than 10 10 10 for 403pichy wrote:First Result of Chess960 both using progress 10 10 10, Ray should test this version in his FRC Rating list. I believe it could be rated equal to Pharaon 351
PS: Dr. Wael please tell me now which side has a disadvantage, since both sides have a chance to play White and Black with the same starting position
Engine Score Mo Mo S-B
1: Movei00_8_418 21.0/40 ········································ 000=1110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_403 19.0/40 111=0001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00
40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
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results are
50.5-49.5 for 4 6 10 at 400,000 nodes per move
54-46 for 4 6 10 at 5,000,000 nodes per move
These results prove nothing about sueriority of 4 6 10 and results may be thanks to luck but I decided that together with your results against different opponents I have enough evidence to decide that 4 6 10 is slightly better for 403 relative to 10 10 10.
Note that 4 6 10 was not tested at FRC so I do not know if it is really better at FRC relative to 10 10 10 but I see no reason to assume that things will be different at FRC relative to normal chess.
I decided to ask Ray to test 403 now for the following reasons:
1)I believe that 403 is a significant improvement relative to 383(more than 20 elo improvement)
2)I believe that newer versions are only slightly better(less than 20 elo improvement)
3)Even in case that they were significantly better I prefer first to know the rating of 403.
Note that I am not sure about 1 and 2 and I may be wrong.
Uri
I started testing Movei 403 progress 4 6 10 at Chess960 vs Pharaon 351 but I stoped the match after Pharaon won 5 games in a row, now I just started with Movei418 Progress 10 10 10 and the score is even so far
Engine Score Ph Mo
1: Pharaon 2.5/4 10=10
2: Movei00_8_418 2.5/4 01=01
5 of 40 games played
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960
I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960
SHH SHH SHH, Please Do NOT spoil the FunDr.Wael Deeb wrote:I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel
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Re: Movei00_8_403 vs Ufim802 so far 22 to 13
Uri Blass wrote:In my tests 4 6 10 is better than 10 10 10 for 403pichy wrote:First Result of Chess960 both using progress 10 10 10, Ray should test this version in his FRC Rating list. I believe it could be rated equal to Pharaon 351
PS: Dr. Wael please tell me now which side has a disadvantage, since both sides have a chance to play White and Black with the same starting position
Engine Score Mo Mo S-B
1: Movei00_8_418 21.0/40 ········································ 000=1110=10111=010001=010=1=001=0011111= 399.00
2: Movei00_8_403 19.0/40 111=0001=01000=101110=101=0=110=1100000= ········································ 399.00
40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
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results are
50.5-49.5 for 4 6 10 at 400,000 nodes per move
54-46 for 4 6 10 at 5,000,000 nodes per move
These results prove nothing about sueriority of 4 6 10 and results may be thanks to luck but I decided that together with your results against different opponents I have enough evidence to decide that 4 6 10 is slightly better for 403 relative to 10 10 10.
Note that 4 6 10 was not tested at FRC so I do not know if it is really better at FRC relative to 10 10 10 but I see no reason to assume that things will be different at FRC relative to normal chess.
I decided to ask Ray to test 403 now for the following reasons:
1)I believe that 403 is a significant improvement relative to 383(more than 20 elo improvement)
2)I believe that newer versions are only slightly better(less than 20 elo improvement)
3)Even in case that they were significantly better I prefer first to know the rating of 403.
Note that I am not sure about 1 and 2 and I may be wrong.
Uri
Here is the first match of Movei 403 progress 10 10 10 vs Ufim 802 at Chess 960
Engine Score Mo Uf S-B
1: Movei00_8_403 22.0/35 1110=0=01101111011==1011000110=11=1 286.00
2: Ufim802 13.0/35 0001=1=10010000100==0100111001=00=0 286.00
35 of 40 games played
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And here is the other match versus Pharaon so far:
Engine Score Ph Mo S-B
1: Pharaon 12.0/19 10=1==101101001111=? 84.00
2: Movei00_8_403 7.0/19 01=0==010010110000=? 84.00
19 of 40 games played
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960
I do not think that this is off topic.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel
people have the right to discuss it.
I already sent him newer version of movei that is hopefully slightly stronger.
Uri
Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960
May be you didnt understand Wael's joke.Uri Blass wrote:I do not think that this is off topic.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel
people have the right to discuss it.
I already sent him newer version of movei that is hopefully slightly stronger.
Uri
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Re: Movei00_8_403 and Movei00_8_418 in Chess960
Hi Uri,Uri Blass wrote:I do not think that this is off topic.Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:I am surprised why Daniel didn't start to flame you becuase you are doing a big sin right now.....
Discussing in public beta testing of a chess engine....mega,mega off topic,right Daniel
people have the right to discuss it.
I already sent him newer version of movei that is hopefully slightly stronger.
Uri
In fact I am joking because when we discussed with Tony once a beta version of RomiChess,we were beatin'up by Daniel because these things must be discussed by e-mail and not here according to him,which is a stuiped point of view to say the least....
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