SSDF(Rybka 2.3.1 - Hiarcs 10)A1200, 1?-?, now 21-11

[icander]

[Event "SSDF"]
[Site "Tony Hedlund"]
[Date "2007.05.17"]
[Round "31"]
[White "Hiarcs 10 HypMod A1200"]
[Black "Rybka 2.3.1 A1200"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "2962"]
[ECO "E13"]
[Opening "Queen's Indian"]
[WhiteElo "2845"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:40/7200:7200"]
[PlyCount "102"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.Bg5 Bb7 6.e3 h6 7.Bh4 g5 8.Bg3 Ne4 9.Qc2
Bxc3+ 10.bxc3 d6 11.Bd3 f5 12.d5 Nc5 13.h4 g4 14.Nd4 Qf6 15.O-O Nba6 16.Nxe6 Nxe6
17.Bxf5 Nec5 {0.00/16} 18.Bxg4 Rg8 {+0.19/16} 19.f3 Bc8 {+0.54/17} 20.Qh7 Rh8
{+0.56/17} 21.Bh5+ Kf8 {+0.74/20} 22.Qg6 Qxg6 {+0.67/18} 23.Bxg6 Nd7 {+0.74/19} 24.h5 Nac5
{+0.78/19} 25.Rab1 Kg7 {+0.84/18} 26.Kh2 Rf8 {+1.00/19} 27.Kg1 Ne5 {+1.05/19} 28.Bxe5+
dxe5 {+1.07/20} 29.f4 exf4 {+1.47/20} 30.exf4 Bf5 {+1.53/19} 31.Bxf5 Rxf5 {+1.54/20}
32.g4 Rff8 {+1.73/19} 33.Rbe1 Rae8 {+1.56/17} 34.Re5 Nd3 {+2.19/22} 35.Rxe8 Rxe8
{+2.35/22} 36.Rf3 Nb2 {+2.35/22} 37.c5 bxc5 {+2.73/20} 38.g5 c4 {+2.82/21} 39.g6 Kf6
{+2.95/21} 40.Rf1 Na4 {+3.24/21} 41.Rf3 Nb6 {+3.88/20} 42.Kf2 Nxd5 {+4.20/19} 43.Rg3 Kg7
{+4.37/21} 44.Rf3 Re4 {+5.07/21} 45.Rh3 Nxf4 {+5.19/22} 46.Kf3 Nxh3 {+5.28/20} 47.Kxe4
Nf2+ {+5.33/19} 48.Kd5 Ng4 {+5.55/19} 49.Kxc4 Nf6 {+5.92/20} 50.Kd4 Nxh5 {+5.42/17}
51.c4 Kxg6 {+6.38/19 Vit ger upp} 0-1

[Event "SSDF"]
[Site "Tony Hedlund"]
[Date "2007.05.17"]
[Round "32"]
[White "Rybka 2.3.1 A1200"]
[Black "Hiarcs 10 HypMod A1200"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "2845"]
[ECO "E56"]
[Opening "Nimzo-Indian"]
[WhiteElo "2962"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:40/7200:7200"]
[PlyCount "246"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 c5 6.Nf3 d5 7.O-O Nc6 8.cxd5 exd5
9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.b3 Bg4 11.Bb2 Rc8 12.Rc1 {+0.17/15} Bb6 13.Na4 {+0.11/15} Bc7 14.h3
{+0.25/17} Bxf3 15.Qxf3 {+0.19/18} Qd6 16.g3 {+0.15/18} Ne5 17.Bxe5 {+0.15/18} Qxe5 18.Bf5
{+0.14/18} Rcb8 19.Qf4 {+0.21/17} Bd6 20.Nc3 {+0.19/18} g6 21.Bg4 {+0.17/17} Nxg4 22.hxg4
{+0.22/19} Qe6 23.Qf3 {+0.35/18} f5 24.g5 {+0.35/19} Be7 25.Qxd5 {+0.29/18} Qxd5 26.Nxd5
{+0.27/21} Bxg5 27.f4 {+0.26/19} Bf6 28.Rfd1 {+0.29/18} Bb2 29.Rc2 {+0.37/18} Ba3 30.Rc4
{+0.28/18} Rf7 31.Kf2 {+0.34/17} Kh8 32.Ra4 {+0.28/18} Bc5 33.b4 {+0.28/19} b5 34.Ra5
{+0.31/21} Bb6 35.Ra3 {+0.23/20} Rd7 36.Rad3 {+0.35/20} Bd8 37.Kf3 {+0.35/19} h5 38.Nc3
{+0.19/20} Rxd3 39.Rxd3 {+0.26/22} a5 40.a3 {+0.20/22} axb4 41.axb4 {+0.20/22} Be7 42.Nd5
{+0.18/25} Rd8 43.e4 {+0.20/21} fxe4+ 44.Kxe4 {+0.18/20} Bf8 45.Ra3 {+0.18/22} Re8+ 46.Kd4
{+0.17/23} Rd8 47.Ke5 {+0.17/22} Re8+ 48.Kf6 {+0.14/23} Rd8 49.Ke6 {+0.21/22} Rd6+ 50.Ke5
{+0.18/22} Rc6 51.Ra7 {+0.10/22} Bg7+ 52.Ke4 {+0.08/23} Re6+ 53.Kf3 {+0.17/19} Rd6 54.Ne7
{+0.17/21} Bc3 55.Rb7 {+0.12/19} Bxb4 56.Rxb5 {+0.12/19} Bd2 57.Ke2 {+0.07/18} Bc3 58.Nd5
{+0.07/19} Bg7 59.Kf3 {+0.08/17} Kh7 60.g4 {+0.07/18} hxg4+ 61.Kxg4 {+0.06/20} Rd7 62.Ra5
{+0.05/21} Bd4 63.Kf3 {+0.02/22} Bg7 64.Ke4 {+0.04/20} Rd6 65.Ra3 {+0.08/19} Bf8 66.Rb3
{+0.08/19} Ra6 67.Rb7+ {+0.08/17} Kh6 68.Kf3 {+0.04/17} Bc5 69.Kg4 {+0.07/20} Rd6 70.Ne7
{+0.05/22} Rd8 71.Nc6 {+0.05/21} Rd1 72.Ne5 {+0.02/21} Rg1+ 73.Kf3 {+0.02/21} Rf1+ 74.Ke4
{+0.13/16} Re1+ 75.Kd5 {+0.13/16} Be3 76.Rb4 {+0.13/16} Bd2 77.Rd4 {+0.05/20} Be3 78.Ra4
{+0.04/20} Kh5 79.Ra8 {+0.08/19} Kh6 80.Rf8 {+0.08/19} Rb1 81.Ke4 {+0.02/18} Re1 82.Rf6
{+0.02/21} Bc1+ 83.Kd5 {0.00/20} Kh5 84.Rf7 {0.00/18} Kh6 85.Rf6 {0.00/23} Kh5 86.Nd3
{0.00/20} Rf1 87.Rf8 {0.00/24} Kh6 88.Rf7 {0.00/22} Bd2 89.Kc4 {0.00/22} Ra1 90.f5
{0.00/19} g5 91.Ne5 {+0.05/18} Bf4 92.Ng4+ {0.00/18} Kh5 93.Nf6+ {0.00/19} Kh4 94.Nd5
{0.00/19} Ra4+ 95.Kb5 {0.00/19} Ra8 96.f6 {0.00/20} Kg4 97.Nb6 {0.00/21} Rb8 98.Kc6
{0.00/23} Kf5 99.Nd7 {0.00/23} Rc8+ 100.Kd5 {0.00/23} Rc2 101.Rh7 {0.00/20} Rd2+ 102.Kc4
{0.00/23} Rc2+ 103.Kd5 {0.00/25} Rd2+ 104.Kc4 {0.00/24} Rc2+ 105.Kb5 {0.00/21} Bd6 106.f7
{0.00/20} Rc7 107.Kb6 {0.00/21} Rc8 108.Rh6 {0.00/19} Be7 109.Kb7 {0.00/21} Rd8 110.Kc6
{0.00/22} g4 111.Rh1 {0.00/19} Ke6 112.Rh6+ {0.00/23} Kxf7 113.Ne5+ {0.00/19} Kg8
114.Rg6+ {0.00/20} Kh7 115.Rxg4 {0.00/18} Bf6 116.Nf7 {0.00/23} Rd1 117.Rg2 {0.00/23}
Re1 118.Nd6 {0.00/21} Re6 119.Rg4 {0.00/25} Kh6 120.Re4 {0.00/23} Rxd6+ 121.Kxd6
{0.00/59} Kg5 122.Re1 {0.00/59} Bd4 123.Ra1 {0.00/59} Bxa1 {Otillräckligt med material} 1/2-1/2

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hiarcs 11.1 has one of the finest commercial opening books out there and I am glad that my hamble opening book for Rybka is holding it's position

[Tony Thomas]

Hiarcs 11.1 has one of the finest commercial opening books out there and I am glad that my hamble opening book for Rybka is holding it's position

May be you didnt notice, your humble opening book is playing against Hiarcs 10.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Yes,I had Hiarcs 10 in mind but wrote 11.1

[Tony Thomas]

Yes,I had Hiarcs 10 in mind but wrote 11.1

Trivia..
Can you name one commercial program with a bad book?

[Uri Blass]

Hiarcs 11.1 has one of the finest commercial opening books out there and I am glad that my hamble opening book for Rybka is holding it's position

I suspect that many automatic book based on pgn may be enough for rybka to get better place than other programs.

I do not express negative opinion about your book but
first place for rybka is no proof for the quality of your book.

My opinion is that rybka with movei403's book can also get first place(possibly with smaller difference from the second place) and movei's book is simply generated automatically from one pgn of white and one pgn of black and there are only wins for white in the pgn of white and no losses for black in the pgn for black so hopefully there are not many blunders there(I used mainly computer games and games of strong humans).

Uri

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

They are all good in general,but some are simply better optimized

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hiarcs 11.1 has one of the finest commercial opening books out there and I am glad that my hamble opening book for Rybka is holding it's position

I suspect that many automatic book based on pgn may be enough for rybka to get better place than other programs.

I do not express negative opinion about your book but
first place for rybka is no proof for the quality of your book.

My opinion is that rybka with movei403's book can also get first place(possibly with smaller difference from the second place) and movei's book is simply generated automatically from one pgn of white and one pgn of black and there are only wins for white in the pgn of white and no losses for black in the pgn for black so hopefully there are not many blunders there(I used mainly computer games and games of strong humans).

Uri

Your statement is correct but I want to add that with a stuiped opening book it will performe worse....you do remember my first release which was not fully optimized and cleaned up and some people started to attack me and recommend to drop it because it's harming Rybka's performance....somehow they were right,but when I released the second edition of the book they suddenly shut up
Try to build an opening book under the Arena GUI and you'll understand what I mean

[George Tsavdaris]

Yes,I had Hiarcs 10 in mind but wrote 11.1

Trivia..
Can you name one commercial program with a bad book?

Hiarcs 9 maybe....?

[Marc Lacrosse]

Try to build an opening book under the Arena GUI and you'll understand what I mean

Trying to build a competitive book under Arena is pure masochism.

Marc