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PostPost subject: Re: For ZACH WEGNER    Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:54 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
bnemias wrote:
chrisw wrote:
In a commercial sense GPL seems a disaster. Licencing a program for free use subject to restrictions ... and if the restrictions are broken? Where's the commercial sense in doing anything about it?


I don't understand your point here. The GPL is about keeping software free, so of course it doesn't align well with commercial interests. So commercial entities avoid using GPL code. When they don't, they get sued.

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What would a litigant hope to gain? Zilch. Nobody launches legal actions on principal you know - commercial reasons only - first thing to learn.


Except that the GPL exists to facilitate free software. There have been several suits (mostly settled out of court, but some in court as well) that are launched entirely on principle. For example, the GPL code found in a firmware upgrade to Actiontec routers. There's no commercial interest there. But there will now be development projects based on those routers as a result. Tomato, DD-WRT, or other 3rd party firmwares will likely be built now. It's true there was a monetary settlement, but only because Verizon forced it to trial by refusing to supply the source when caught.


For every general rule there'll be exceptions, nevertheless, litigants go to court in the main because the financial risk/reward calcution is favourable. For free software violations, the reward financially is zero, since royalties do not apply. Therefore only principle applies. The FSF will have a life all of its own, it might, on principle, run after someone for a GPL violation, but it will reserve its firepower for serious cases. This case, so far, appears to be about as unserious as it gets. Some unproven anyway, UCI code that everybody has to use in a non-AI, non-engine part of a program. Really?! That's absolutely worth enforcing. Not.
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