On Robots

[Robert Weck]

interestingly Robert
i just received the Excalibur Alexandra which as you know has the same program as the DTTC
However it seems to be running about 10% slower then the Robots and the DTTC
after 1.a4 she reaches 6 ply in 52 seconds(as opposed to 47) and after 1.h4 she hits 6 ply after 51 seconds (as opposed to 46)
about a 10% slowdown

i have the New York Times version of the DTTC (you know, its with backlight) and it is about 5% slower than my DTTC.

Maybe Excalibur did not use a crystal but a capacitor like in the Fidelity Designer 2000; they are not working as exact like a crystal.


Robert

[Steve B]

i have the New York Times version of the DTTC (you know, its with backlight) and it is about 5% slower than my DTTC.

Maybe Excalibur did not use a crystal but a capacitor like in the Fidelity Designer 2000; they are not working as exact like a crystal.
Robert

your probably right
i tried h4 and let all three computers ponder to 7 ply and i got 3'29" for the Force and DTTC and Alexandra took 3"56"
so it seems around 10% slower
no surprise really as Women are always a bit slower at making a final decision

Ok ..no more Sexist remarks regards
Steve

[fern]

So you got an Alexandra?
Great.
I see I am beginning to stamp my mark on you regards
Fern

[Steve B]

So you got an Alexandra?
Great.
I see I am beginning to stamp my mark on you regards
Fern

well how could it be different??
after all of these years ...the Elders have finally ordered me to try at least one computer you own

i am still waiting for the 2Robot
no one seems to actually have it for sale yet
the one thing i dont like is the cylinder is uses to suck up the pieces
a Robot with an arm should have a grasping hand sort of mechanism
even the old the Novag Adversary robot had a claw

i think we need to add some thing to the cylinder to grasp the pieces and not suck them up :

something like this...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N ... 922175252/

Thing Sends its Regards
Steve

[fern]

BTW, have you had news from Nelson, lately?
Is he working on something else OR he retired for good?
At the very least he should improve Alexandra program and make it think all the time.
It is not a bad program at all.
Mmmmm...perhaps I will pit it agans Champion.

Breaking news soon regards
fern

[Steve B]

i sent Nelson an email asking him some questions about Alexandra..
i notice the clock speed is slower then DTTC and also about the Language options(box and manual do not mention Russian language so i wanted to find out if different versions of Alexandra exist)
sadly i have received no reply
this was 2 days ago
usually (but not always) i receive some reply even if only a terse ..thinly worded one
i am worried
we are putting together a search party now
Regards from the Elders Council (Missing Persons Dept.)
Steve

[mclane]

steve you should tell him that we are very much looking for a version
of his program in a computer that shows information DURING the
search process and not only AFTER the move has come.
Also looking for these informations (Move, evaluation, search depth)
interrupts the permanent brain of the machine.

so 2 points:

1.information during search process
2.no interruption of search process when information is looked up

tell him we like the strength of Grandmaster/Igor and would like the same program in other machines too (maybe with better hardware).
Its sad that we can only get his best program in the Grandmaster/Igor.
I would like to buy it in new machines too.




here how the igor with 24mhz plays in my dedicated chess tournament so far (40/120 time control):

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    Motor                                        Punkte SpMeStMiChNiCoIgRuExSuDePsMeEmChMiKrMeKiGlAd    S-B
01: Sparc {Brettcomputer}                        11,0/12 ·     ? 0 1   1     1 ? 1 1     1 1 1 1 1 1   41,50
02: Mephisto MM5 {Brettcomputer}                 10,0/12   · 1 = 1 0     1 1   1     1     1 1 =   1   47,25
03: Star Diamond {Brettcomputer}                 9,5/12    0 · 1 1   1 1 = =       1 =       1 1 1     47,25
04: MilanoPro {Brettcomputer}                    8,0/12  ? = 0 · =   1 1   1   0   =     1 = 1 1       38,25
05: Challenger 24mhz {Brettcomputer}             7,5/12  1 0 0 = · 1     1 0 1     = =     1       1   40,25
06: NigelShort 10mhz {Brettcomputer}             7,5/12  0 1     0 ·   0 1 1       1 =   0 1     1 1   32,50
07: Corona D+ {Brettcomputer}                    7,0/12      0 0     · 1 = 0 0 =         1 1 1 1   1   22,25
08: Igor 24mhz {Brettcomputer}                   5,5/12  0   0 0   1 0 ·     0 1     =   1 =   1 =     23,00
09: Ruby {Brettcomputer}                         5,5/10    0 =   0 0 =   ·   1 =           1   1   1   21,25
10: Excel68000 {Brettcomputer}                   5,0/12    0 = 0 1 0 1     · =     0 1 0 1   0         29,25
11: Supermondial B {Brettcomputer}               5,0/12  0       0   1 1 0 = · = 0   1 0 1       0     25,00
12: Designer2000 Display 5mhz {Brettcomputer}    5,0/10  ? 0   1     = 0 =   = · 0   1     =   1       24,50
13: PsionST EMU unlimited {Brettcomputer}        5,0/7   0                   1 1 · 1         0 1   1   17,50
14: Mephisto MM2 {Brettcomputer}                 4,5/12  0   0 = = 0       1     0 ·   0   0 1 =   1   17,00
15: Emerald Classic Plus {Brettcomputer}         4,0/12    0 =   = =   =   0 0 0     ·   =   = 0   1   18,50
16: Chessmachine512 The King2.54 {Brettcomputer} 4,0/4                     1 1     1   ·   1           17,00
17: Milano {Brettcomputer}                       3,5/11  0     0   1 0 0   0 0       =   · 1 1   0     14,50
18: Krypton Regency {Brettcomputer}              2,5/12  0 0   = 0 0 0 = 0     =   1   0 0 ·           13,75
19: Mephi IIIb 8mhz {Brettcomputer}              2,5/10  0 0 0 0     0     1     1 0 =   0   ·         12,00
20: Kishon Chesster {Brettcomputer}              2,5/12  0 = 0 0     0 0 0     0 0 = 1         ·   =   11,50
21: Glasgow Emu unlimited {Brettcomputer}        2,5/6   0   0     0   =     1           1       ·     11,25
22: Advanced Star Chess {Brettcomputer}          0,5/10  0 0     0 0 0   0       0 0 0         =   ·    1,25

118 Partien von 231 gespielt
Name des Turniers: Schachcomputer
Ort/ Land: SCW, Deutschland
Spielstufe: Turnier 40/120 20/60

[Steve B]

Thor
Deluxe Talking Chess,Phantom Force and Alexandra ALL show information DURING search
Position Eval..Depth Reached and Intended move
Same also for LCD Chess,LCD Talking chess..etc.etc.
the problem of course is that these programs are all much weaker then GM


Info On And Score On Regards
Steve

[mclane]

Thor
Deluxe Talking Chess,Phantom Force and Alexandra ALL show information DURING search
Position Eval..Depth Reached and Intended move
Same also for LCD Chess,LCD Talking chess..etc.etc.
the problem of course is that these programs are all much weaker then GM


Info On And Score On Regards
Steve

you say it. if Excalibur would put the best software into these machines,
i would buy those machines.

but with a weaker version than Igor/GM, i will NOT buy it.

[Steve B]

you say it. if Excalibur would put the best software into these machines,
i would buy those machines.
but with a weaker version than Igor/GM, i will NOT buy it.

well here is a two game match with the Sharper Image Phantom Chess! Robot eating the Saitek Team Mate Advanced Trainers Lunch
both games were 30 seconds avg per move
the first game is a wild swashbuckling slug fest with the PC! announcing a mate in 5
in the second game Team Mate has white and gets mated in 26 moves

load up your pgn reader and have a look:

[White "Excalibur Phantom Force"]
[Black "Saitek Team Mate Advanced Trainer"]
[Time Control "30 sec/Avg"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.e4 c5 2.c3 e6 3.d4 d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.Nf3 cxd4 6.cxd4 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 Qa5
8.Bd2 Nf6 9.Ne5 Nbd7 10.a3 Bd6 11.Nb5 Qa6 12.Nc7+ Bxc7 13.Bxa6 bxa6
14.Nc6 O-O 15.Ne7+ Kh8 16.Nxc8 Raxc8 17.Bb4 Rfd8 18.O-O Nd5 19.Bc5 Nxc5 20.dxc5 Ne3 21.fxe3 Rxd1 22.Raxd1 f6 23.Rd7 Kg8 24.Rb1 a5 25.Rbd1 Kf8 26.g3 a6 27.Kf2 Be5 28.Rb7 Ke8 29.Rb6 Rxc5 30.Rxe6+ Kf7 31.Rxa6 Bxb2 32.Ra7+ Kg6 33.Rdd7 f5 34.Kf3 Rc2 35.Rd6+ Bf6 36.h4 Rc5 37.Rda6 Rc2 38.Rxa5 Rh2 39.e4 fxe4+ 40.Kxe4 Re2+ 41.Kf4 Bd4 42.R7a6+ Kf7 43.Ra8 Kf6 44.R5a6+ Ke7 45.a4 Bc5 46.Rh8 Rf2+ 47.Ke4 h6 48.Raa8 Rg2 49.Rhc8 Bd6 50.Ra7+ Kf6 51.Rd7 Rd2 52.Rcd8 Ke6 53.Rxg7 Kf6 54.Rgd7 Ke6 55.Rh7 h5 56.a5 Kf6 57.Rxh5 Ke7 58.Rg8 Kf7 59.Rgg5 Re2+ 60.Kf3 Rc2 61.Rh7+ Kf6 62.Rh6+ Ke7 63.Rg7+ Kf8 64.Ra7 Rc3+ 65.Ke4 Bc7 66.Rh7 Rc4+ 67.Kd5 Rb4 68.Raxc7 Kg8 69.a6 Rb5+ 70.Kc6 Ra5 71.Rcg7+ Kf8 72.Rf7+ Kg8 73.Rhg7+ Kh874.a7 Ra6+ 75.Kd5 Ra5+ 76.Ke6 Ra6+ 77.Kf5 Ra5+ 78.Kf6 Ra6+ 79.Kg5 Ra5+ 80.Kg4 Ra4+ 81.Rf4 Ra6 82.Rgf7 Rg6+
83.Kh5 Ra6 84.Rf8+ Kg7 85.R4f7# 1-0


[White "Saitek Team Mate Advanced Trainer"]
[Black "Excalibur Phantom Force"]
[Time Control "30 sec/Avg]
[Result "0-1"]

1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.g3 Nc6 4.Bg2 Bc5 5.Nf3 Qe7 6.O-O O-O 7.d3 d6 8.Be3
Bxe3 9.fxe3 Kh8 10.Qb3 Qd7 11.h3 Rb8 12.Ng5 Na5 13.Qa3 Nc6 14.Bxc6 bxc6 15.Rab1 h6 16.Rxf6 gxf6 17.Nge4 Qxh3 18.Qxa7 Rb7 19.Qa4
f5 20.Qxc6 fxe4 21.Nxe4 Rg8 22.c5 f5 23.cxd6 fxe4 24.g4 Qxg4+ 25.Kf2
Qg3+ 26.Kf1 Rf8# 0-1

Powerful Robotics Regards
Steve