Here is the game again - as you can find it in Dufresne-Mieses.
http://www.chessville.com/instruction/A ... ritzky.htm
Do you have any idea where the differences come from?
I have read your paper, but not the book which is mentioned in your paper.
Could you give me a hint where Kiseritzky's own notation is mentioned?
Kind regards
Bernhard
Immortal game
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Re: Immortal game
Bernhard,
Although Kieseritzky lost the game, it was he who recorded it and first reported it, in the magazine that he edited, using his special notation. An entire chapter of Zagadka Kieseritzky’ego is devoted to the game. My review makes clear that the book was meticulously researched. I don't think I can help you any further as I no longer have the book.
Although Kieseritzky lost the game, it was he who recorded it and first reported it, in the magazine that he edited, using his special notation. An entire chapter of Zagadka Kieseritzky’ego is devoted to the game. My review makes clear that the book was meticulously researched. I don't think I can help you any further as I no longer have the book.
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Re: Immortal game
Marek,
thank you for your help. On
http://blog.chess.com/batgirl/lionel-kieseritzky
there is a facsimile of Kiseritzky's own publication.
So I conclude that the move order you give is the right on.
However at the facsimile the last 3 moves are not given.
At this point the question arises: Why has someone changed the game and who was it.
The modified game looks more logical and somewhat better.
Here it is:
[Event "Free Game"]
[Site "London"]
[Date "1851"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Anderssen"]
[Black "Kieseritzky"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[PlyCount "45"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 Qh4+ 4. Kf1 b5 5. Bxb5 Nf6 6. Nf3 Qh6 7. d3 Nh5
8. Nh4 c6 9. Nf5 Qg5 10. g4 Nf6 11. Rg1 cxb5 12. h4 Qg6 13. h5 Qg5 14. Qf3
Ng8 15. Bxf4 Qf6 16. Nc3 Bc5 17. Nd5 Qxb2 18. Bd6 Qxa1+ 19. Ke2 Bxg1 20. e5
Na6 21. Nxg7+ Kd8 22. Qf6+ Nxf6 23. Be7+ 1-0
Kind regards
Bernhard
thank you for your help. On
http://blog.chess.com/batgirl/lionel-kieseritzky
there is a facsimile of Kiseritzky's own publication.
So I conclude that the move order you give is the right on.
However at the facsimile the last 3 moves are not given.
At this point the question arises: Why has someone changed the game and who was it.
The modified game looks more logical and somewhat better.
Here it is:
[Event "Free Game"]
[Site "London"]
[Date "1851"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Anderssen"]
[Black "Kieseritzky"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[PlyCount "45"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 Qh4+ 4. Kf1 b5 5. Bxb5 Nf6 6. Nf3 Qh6 7. d3 Nh5
8. Nh4 c6 9. Nf5 Qg5 10. g4 Nf6 11. Rg1 cxb5 12. h4 Qg6 13. h5 Qg5 14. Qf3
Ng8 15. Bxf4 Qf6 16. Nc3 Bc5 17. Nd5 Qxb2 18. Bd6 Qxa1+ 19. Ke2 Bxg1 20. e5
Na6 21. Nxg7+ Kd8 22. Qf6+ Nxf6 23. Be7+ 1-0
Kind regards
Bernhard
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Re: Immortal game
Bernard,
My review deals with your very question, which proves that you didn't bother to read it properly. I can't help you if you won't be helped.At this point the question arises: Why has someone changed the game and who was it.
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Re: Immortal game
The full game from the Chessbase database is:
[Event "London 'Immortal game'"]
[Site "London"]
[Date "1851.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anderssen, Adolf"]
[Black "Kieseritzky, Lionel"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C33"]
[PlyCount "45"]
[EventDate "1851.??.??"]
[EventType "game"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "ENG"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 Qh4+ 4. Kf1 b5 5. Bxb5 Nf6 6. Nf3 Qh6 7. d3 Nh5 8.
Nh4 Qg5 9. Nf5 c6 10. g4 Nf6 11. Rg1 cxb5 12. h4 Qg6 13. h5 Qg5 14. Qf3 Ng8 15.
Bxf4 Qf6 16. Nc3 Bc5 17. Nd5 Qxb2 18. Bd6 Bxg1 19. e5 Qxa1+ 20. Ke2 Na6 21.
Nxg7+ Kd8 22. Qf6+ Nxf6 23. Be7# 1-0
[Event "London 'Immortal game'"]
[Site "London"]
[Date "1851.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Anderssen, Adolf"]
[Black "Kieseritzky, Lionel"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C33"]
[PlyCount "45"]
[EventDate "1851.??.??"]
[EventType "game"]
[EventRounds "1"]
[EventCountry "ENG"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Bc4 Qh4+ 4. Kf1 b5 5. Bxb5 Nf6 6. Nf3 Qh6 7. d3 Nh5 8.
Nh4 Qg5 9. Nf5 c6 10. g4 Nf6 11. Rg1 cxb5 12. h4 Qg6 13. h5 Qg5 14. Qf3 Ng8 15.
Bxf4 Qf6 16. Nc3 Bc5 17. Nd5 Qxb2 18. Bd6 Bxg1 19. e5 Qxa1+ 20. Ke2 Na6 21.
Nxg7+ Kd8 22. Qf6+ Nxf6 23. Be7# 1-0
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Re: Immortal game
Due to L. Kiseritzky the game ended after 20. E 25, which means 20. Ke2.
The move 18. ..Bxg1 makes no sense. Therefore perhaps others choose
18. ..Qxa1+. Now Kiseritzky blundert.
Besides it was no "event", only a free game.
kind regards
Bernhard
The move 18. ..Bxg1 makes no sense. Therefore perhaps others choose
18. ..Qxa1+. Now Kiseritzky blundert.
Besides it was no "event", only a free game.
kind regards
Bernhard