How to kill Naum 4, playing you WITHOUT YOUR QUEEN !!! 2009

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

YASWOT=Yet another stupid win on time

Try to win off line and beat the tiger off line and posionaly,not on time....

[Father]

Kai,

August 27, 2009

... becouse chess machines does not know how to play chess...

And I have a question .... If Naum 4 is clouser in elo of Rybka 3, that other top chess machines, they over 3.00 elo, and Naum 4 can not beat me playing with that kind of material advantage in its side, then how many my elo is : 4.000. Yes I think it is

By myself my elo is now 4.000 !!!

Best,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo S
Father
playchess.com engines room happier usser

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Kai,

August 27, 2009

... becouse chess machines does not know how to play chess...

And I have a question .... If Naum 4 is clouser in elo of Rybka 3, that other top chess machines, they over 3.00 elo, and Naum 4 can not beat me playing with that kind of material advantage in its side, then how many my elo is : 4.000. Yes I think it is

By myself my elo is now 4.000 !!!

Best,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo S
Father
playchess.com engines room happier usser

Your playing techique is not that hard to learn....it's interesting,no doubt about that.....but winning on time playing online is no victory,remember that and stop annoying us with your false wins....instead try to search for my wins against chess engines rated around 2200-2400 and to learn something about playing chess....

Take a look here please:

http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29466

Dr.D

[IWB]

Hi

.....but winning on time playing online is no victory,remember that and stop annoying us with your false wins....

The problem is the "online" play. He is using premove, something the engine cant do, and hoping to push the engine over time. As soon as the engine is doing something to break the "fortress" he resigns. Sometimes his use of lag and premove is lucky and we have to read it here. Winning on time OTB (or on the comp without premove) is impossible for him (Not talking about winning on position!). At best he gets a draw because of repetition.

In fact he wins vs the internet and the playchess client, not against the engine. His problem is seeing that!

An option in the next Chessbase client to disable opponents premove possibilities would be nice .

Bye
Ingo

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hi

.....but winning on time playing online is no victory,remember that and stop annoying us with your false wins....

The problem is the "online" play. He is using premove, something the engine cant do, and hoping to push the engine over time. As soon as the engine is doing something to break the "fortress" he resigns. Sometimes his use of lag and premove is lucky and we have to read it here. Winning on time OTB (or on the comp without premove) is impossible for him (Not talking about winning on position!). At best he gets a draw because of repetition.

In fact he wins vs the internet and the playchess client, not against the engine. His problem is seeing that!

An option in the next Chessbase client to disable opponents premove possibilities would be nice .

Bye
Ingo

Thanks Ingo,well said
The problem is Pablo's brain doesn't seem to understand this simple fact that he's actualy drawing or winning against the stupid playchess client with it's more stupid premove feature....
Dr.D

[Father]

99.9 % of chess machines, are afraid playing chess versus human beings,s ANTICHESS TECHNIQUES

easier beat a computer over the desk that in playchess.com

... tricks, lags, premove, "not chess tecniques", "tricks computers especialist an not chess players", and somethik like these fabulas, are bla bla bla.

Bla, bla, bla, written in order to eraser the reality about that human beings gets beat, victories or draws, giving a rook and a queen of more in advantage to some of the Top chess machines side an theirs 3.000 or more elo or these chess computers.

Tricks invented for persons that dont accept the true about chess computers weeknesses, invented probably becouse they like to produce a distraction about the real state of art in man versus machine.

Some people says either that play in Playchess.com engines room, is an advantage playing chess computers to the human being inside... what a false sentence is that... Playchess.com not just is not a bad atmosphere to trying chess computers, "it is the best place to improve man versus machine, and machines versus machine works."

Beat a machine playing over a desk of wood, is easier that play versus a machine in engines room from playchess, becouse engines room has better softwares, better hardwares, and better books, that these that usually a simple person like I am has at home.

Here a very simple test of a DRAW playing in torunament mode vesus my Rybka 3 in my computer.

Best,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father playchess.com usser

[Event "Blitz:3'"]
[Site "Medellín"]
[Date "2009.08.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Restrepo Santamaria, Pablo Ignacio"]
[Black "Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D00"]
[BlackElo "3341"]
[PlyCount "79"]
[TimeControl "180"]

{158MB, Rybka3Gen.ctg, Pablo} 1. d4 {2} d5 {0} 2. e3 {0} Nf6 {0} 3. c3 {0} Nc6
{5} 4. f4 {1} Bf5 {4} 5. Nf3 {0} g6 {3} 6. Bb5 {1} Bg7 {4} 7. Ne5 {0} O-O {3}
8. Nxc6 {0} Qd7 {6} 9. Nxa7 {0} Qe6 {3} 10. Bd3 {0} Rxa7 {3} 11. Bxf5 {0} Qxf5
{3} 12. O-O {0} c6 {4} 13. a3 {1} b5 {4} 14. Nd2 {1} Rd8 {6} 15. Nf3 {0} Ne4 {
10} 16. Nd2 {2} Nd6 {3} 17. Nf3 {1} Qe6 {3} 18. Qd3 {3} Rb8 {1} 19. Re1 {1} Qd7
{2} 20. Bd2 {1} Raa8 {2} 21. Re2 {1} Qg4 {2} 22. Rae1 {2} Re8 {2} 23. Bc1 {1}
e6 {2} 24. Kh1 {2} Bf6 {3} 25. Kg1 {1} Red8 {3} 26. Kh1 {1} Ne4 {3} 27. Kg1 {2}
Qf5 {1} 28. Qc2 {2} Kg7 {2} 29. Kh1 {2} Ra7 {2} 30. Kg1 {1} Qh5 {2} 31. Nd2 {4}
Bh4 {1} 32. g3 {5} Nxg3 {0} 33. hxg3 {1} Bxg3 {4} 34. Nf1 {6} Bxe1 {1} 35. Rxe1
{0} Qh4 {2} 36. Qf2 {3} Qg4+ {1} 37. Qg2 {1} Qh4 {7} 38. Qf2 {1} Qh5 {2} 39.
Qe2 {2} Qh4 {1} 40. Qf2 {1} 1/2-1/2

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[Father]

99.9 % of chess machines, are afraid playing chess versus human beings,s ANTICHESS TECHNIQUES

easier beat a computer over the desk that in playchess.com

... tricks, lags, premove, "not chess tecniques", "tricks computers especialist an not chess players", and somethik like these fabulas, are bla bla bla.

Bla, bla, bla, written in order to eraser the reality about that human beings gets beat, victories or draws, giving a rook and a queen of more in advantage to some of the Top chess machines side an theirs 3.000 or more elo or these chess computers.

Tricks invented for persons that dont accept the true about chess computers weeknesses, invented probably becouse they like to produce a distraction about the real state of art in man versus machine.

Some people says either that play in Playchess.com engines room, is an advantage playing chess computers to the human being inside... what a false sentence is that... Playchess.com not just is not a bad atmosphere to trying chess computers, "it is the best place to improve man versus machine, and machines versus machine works."

Beat a machine playing over a desk of wood, is easier that play versus a machine in engines room from playchess, becouse engines room has better softwares, better hardwares, and better books, that these that usually a simple person like I am has at home.

Here a very simple test of a DRAW playing in torunament mode vesus my Rybka 3 in my computer.

Best,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father playchess.com usser

[Event "Blitz:3'"]
[Site "Medellín"]
[Date "2009.08.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Restrepo Santamaria, Pablo Ignacio"]
[Black "Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D00"]
[BlackElo "3341"]
[PlyCount "79"]
[TimeControl "180"]

{158MB, Rybka3Gen.ctg, Pablo} 1. d4 {2} d5 {0} 2. e3 {0} Nf6 {0} 3. c3 {0} Nc6
{5} 4. f4 {1} Bf5 {4} 5. Nf3 {0} g6 {3} 6. Bb5 {1} Bg7 {4} 7. Ne5 {0} O-O {3}
8. Nxc6 {0} Qd7 {6} 9. Nxa7 {0} Qe6 {3} 10. Bd3 {0} Rxa7 {3} 11. Bxf5 {0} Qxf5
{3} 12. O-O {0} c6 {4} 13. a3 {1} b5 {4} 14. Nd2 {1} Rd8 {6} 15. Nf3 {0} Ne4 {
10} 16. Nd2 {2} Nd6 {3} 17. Nf3 {1} Qe6 {3} 18. Qd3 {3} Rb8 {1} 19. Re1 {1} Qd7
{2} 20. Bd2 {1} Raa8 {2} 21. Re2 {1} Qg4 {2} 22. Rae1 {2} Re8 {2} 23. Bc1 {1}
e6 {2} 24. Kh1 {2} Bf6 {3} 25. Kg1 {1} Red8 {3} 26. Kh1 {1} Ne4 {3} 27. Kg1 {2}
Qf5 {1} 28. Qc2 {2} Kg7 {2} 29. Kh1 {2} Ra7 {2} 30. Kg1 {1} Qh5 {2} 31. Nd2 {4}
Bh4 {1} 32. g3 {5} Nxg3 {0} 33. hxg3 {1} Bxg3 {4} 34. Nf1 {6} Bxe1 {1} 35. Rxe1
{0} Qh4 {2} 36. Qf2 {3} Qg4+ {1} 37. Qg2 {1} Qh4 {7} 38. Qf2 {1} Qh5 {2} 39.
Qe2 {2} Qh4 {1} 40. Qf2 {1} 1/2-1/2

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[Dr.Wael Deeb]

99.9 % of chess machines, are afraid playing chess versus human beings,s ANTICHESS TECHNIQUES

easier beat a computer over the desk that in playchess.com

... tricks, lags, premove, "not chess tecniques", "tricks computers especialist an not chess players", and somethik like these fabulas, are bla bla bla.

Bla, bla, bla, written in order to eraser the reality about that human beings gets beat, victories or draws, giving a rook and a queen of more in advantage to some of the Top chess machines side an theirs 3.000 or more elo or these chess computers.

Tricks invented for persons that dont accept the true about chess computers weeknesses, invented probably becouse they like to produce a distraction about the real state of art in man versus machine.

Some people says either that play in Playchess.com engines room, is an advantage playing chess computers to the human being inside... what a false sentence is that... Playchess.com not just is not a bad atmosphere to trying chess computers, "it is the best place to improve man versus machine, and machines versus machine works."

Beat a machine playing over a desk of wood, is easier that play versus a machine in engines room from playchess, becouse engines room has better softwares, better hardwares, and better books, that these that usually a simple person like I am has at home.

Here a very simple test of a DRAW playing in torunament mode vesus my Rybka 3 in my computer.

Best,

Pablo Ignacio Restrepo
Father playchess.com usser

[Event "Blitz:3'"]
[Site "Medellín"]
[Date "2009.08.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Restrepo Santamaria, Pablo Ignacio"]
[Black "Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D00"]
[BlackElo "3341"]
[PlyCount "79"]
[TimeControl "180"]

{158MB, Rybka3Gen.ctg, Pablo} 1. d4 {2} d5 {0} 2. e3 {0} Nf6 {0} 3. c3 {0} Nc6
{5} 4. f4 {1} Bf5 {4} 5. Nf3 {0} g6 {3} 6. Bb5 {1} Bg7 {4} 7. Ne5 {0} O-O {3}
8. Nxc6 {0} Qd7 {6} 9. Nxa7 {0} Qe6 {3} 10. Bd3 {0} Rxa7 {3} 11. Bxf5 {0} Qxf5
{3} 12. O-O {0} c6 {4} 13. a3 {1} b5 {4} 14. Nd2 {1} Rd8 {6} 15. Nf3 {0} Ne4 {
10} 16. Nd2 {2} Nd6 {3} 17. Nf3 {1} Qe6 {3} 18. Qd3 {3} Rb8 {1} 19. Re1 {1} Qd7
{2} 20. Bd2 {1} Raa8 {2} 21. Re2 {1} Qg4 {2} 22. Rae1 {2} Re8 {2} 23. Bc1 {1}
e6 {2} 24. Kh1 {2} Bf6 {3} 25. Kg1 {1} Red8 {3} 26. Kh1 {1} Ne4 {3} 27. Kg1 {2}
Qf5 {1} 28. Qc2 {2} Kg7 {2} 29. Kh1 {2} Ra7 {2} 30. Kg1 {1} Qh5 {2} 31. Nd2 {4}
Bh4 {1} 32. g3 {5} Nxg3 {0} 33. hxg3 {1} Bxg3 {4} 34. Nf1 {6} Bxe1 {1} 35. Rxe1
{0} Qh4 {2} 36. Qf2 {3} Qg4+ {1} 37. Qg2 {1} Qh4 {7} 38. Qf2 {1} Qh5 {2} 39.
Qe2 {2} Qh4 {1} 40. Qf2 {1} 1/2-1/2

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First of all,the biggest bla bla bla personality in the whole forum is you Pablo,because you are so stupid to understand that beating a top chess engine on time exploiting a bug in the playchess software is not a victory....
And you are even more stupid to claim that beating a top chess engine playing it on your pc is even easier....Pablo,people will start to laugh loudly at your stupid statements.....

So if there is a sponsor to arrange you a match against Rybka running on an octal machine and playing 8 games for example,you are going to win the match
hahahaha regards,
Dr.D

P.S.BTW,I don't see Rybka's depth in the game you posted,something fishy is going on I assume

[Father]

[Father]

Naum 4 4-cpu: 17.6 plies; 2.394kN/s AMD Phenom(tm) 9750 Quad-Core Processor 2411MHz, (4 CPUs) Your claim has been accepted

... sure.... the responsable of all is the lag

ever


[Event "Rated game, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Engine Room"]
[Date "2009.08.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Father"]
[Black "Silver Stacy"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "2076"]
[BlackElo "2543"]
[Annotator "RESTREPO,PABLO"]
[PlyCount "67"]
[EventDate "2009.08.27"]
[BlackTeam "Naum 4 4-cpu: 17.6 plies; 2.394kN/s AMD Pheno"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. d4 {2} Nf6 {0} 2. e3 {0.01/0 0} d5 {0.01/0 0} 3. c3 {0} Nc6 {-0.34/16 4} 4.
f4 {0 (Nf3)} Bf5 {9} 5. Nf3 {-0.37/16 0} e6 {8} 6. Bd3 {-0.31/16 0 (Bb5)} Be7 {
5} 7. O-O {-0.37/15 0 (Qc2)} O-O {-0.38/15 1} 8. Qe2 {10} Ne4 {-0.28/16 0} 9.
Re1 {1 (Nbd2)} Bg4 {-0.53/13 4} 10. Nbd2 {1 (Qc2)} f5 {-0.52/14 2} 11. Nf1 {0
(Bb5)} Bh4 {-0.71/11 3} 12. g3 {3} Be7 {-0.81/14 0} 13. Qd1 {1 (Qg2)} Rf6 {-0.
85/12 3} 14. Be2 {0 (N1d2)} Rg6 {3} 15. N3d2 {-0.73/15 0 (N1d2)} Nd6 {-0.83/15
4} 16. Bxg4 {2 (Nf3)} Rxg4 {3} 17. Re2 {-0.13/15 0 (e4)} Qd7 {4} 18. Rg2 {-1.
03/14 0 (Nf3)} a6 {2} 19. Nf3 {-1.08/13 0} a5 {-0.84/15 3} 20. Qe2 {2 (Ne5)} a4
{-0.85/15 4} 21. a3 {1 (N1d2)} b6 {-1.04/14 2} 22. Bd2 {1 (N1d2)} Nc4 {4} 23.
Be1 {-1.00/14 0 (Bc1)} b5 {-0.91/13 2} 24. Rc1 {1 (Rb1)} Rg6 {-0.90/13 2} 25.
Rc2 {1 (Rb1)} Rb8 {-0.93/14 2} 26. h4 {1 (N1d2)} Bf6 {-0.95/13 3} 27. Kh1 {1
(N1d2)} Qe8 {-0.93/14 5} 28. Kh2 {0 (N1d2)} Nd6 {-0.98/14 2} 29. Kh1 {0 (N1d2)}
Na5 {-0.96/14 2} 30. Kg1 {0 (N1d2)} Nac4 {-1.08/14 2} 31. Kh1 {1 (N1d2)} c6 {
-1.08/12 2} 32. Kh2 {1 (N1d2)} Rg4 {-1.10/14 2} 33. Kh1 {1 (N1d2)} Rc8 {-1.06/
12 1} 34. N3h2 {2 (Lag: Av=1.13s, max=23.1s)} 1-0

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