About Clones or Supposed Clones

[Graham Banks]

a potentially innocent programmer.

Yes, particularly Yakov Petrovich Golyadkin (a novel personage) and Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Russian head of state) and Roberto Pescatore (might be real, but the familiy name means "fisherman"!) could be terribly insulted by the accusation that they are not the real authors.

I agree that the above names only serve to increase suspicion that we are looking at a clone, yet the names alone are not evidence of a clone.

Has Vas been made aware of these source codes? I look forward to hearing his verdict in this matter.

Of course Vas is aware. Why do you think that mention of Ippolit anywhere else on the web has been deleted up until when it was allowed to be promoted here?

[Anton]

a potentially innocent programmer.

Yes, particularly Yakov Petrovich Golyadkin (a novel personage) and Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Russian head of state) and Roberto Pescatore (might be real, but the familiy name means "fisherman"!) could be terribly insulted by the accusation that they are not the real authors.

I agree that the above names only serve to increase suspicion that we are looking at a clone, yet the names alone are not evidence of a clone.

Has Vas been made aware of these source codes? I look forward to hearing his verdict in this matter.

Of course Vas is aware. Why do you think that mention of Ippolit anywhere else on the web has been deleted up until when it was allowed to be promoted here?

I don't know Graham, Is it because someone is now guilty until proven innocent? What was Vas's verdict?

[Christopher Conkie]

a potentially innocent programmer.

Yes, particularly Yakov Petrovich Golyadkin (a novel personage) and Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Russian head of state) and Roberto Pescatore (might be real, but the familiy name means "fisherman"!) could be terribly insulted by the accusation that they are not the real authors.

I agree that the above names only serve to increase suspicion that we are looking at a clone, yet the names alone are not evidence of a clone.

Has Vas been made aware of these source codes? I look forward to hearing his verdict in this matter.

Of course Vas is aware. Why do you think that mention of Ippolit anywhere else on the web has been deleted up until when it was allowed to be promoted here?

I don't know Graham, Is it because someone is now guilty until proven innocent? What was Vas's verdict?

You are asking the wrong person.



Christopher

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

a potentially innocent programmer.

Yes, particularly Yakov Petrovich Golyadkin (a novel personage) and Vladimir Ilyich Lenin (Russian head of state) and Roberto Pescatore (might be real, but the familiy name means "fisherman"!) could be terribly insulted by the accusation that they are not the real authors.

I agree that the above names only serve to increase suspicion that we are looking at a clone, yet the names alone are not evidence of a clone.

Has Vas been made aware of these source codes? I look forward to hearing his verdict in this matter.

Indeed,the source is out there and Vas is the only person who can confirm if this particular engine is a clone or not as he has the source code of Rybka....of course other clones hunters,hello Chris ,are most welcomed to share their opinion as they had saved us a lot of testing fake engines appearing out of the blue....
No again,Vas has the definite word here....
Dr.D

[Anton]

What was Vas's verdict?

It is really strange to ask for Vasik's verdict. What is to be expected? It is in his own interest to say Impolite is a clone of Rybka. The last thing he wants is a legal free engine which is better than Rybka.

And when he says it's a clone, you have no proof other than his word. He won't reveal his source code.

Yes, this is always a possibility, however when Strelka was revealed as a clone, Vas explained in detail the similarities, and besides, it would not be in his best interests to claim an engine is a clone, if it was infact not a clone.

[Christopher Conkie]

What was Vas's verdict?

It is really strange to ask for Vasik's verdict. What is to be expected? It is in his own interest to say Impolite is a clone of Rybka. The last thing he wants is a legal free engine which is better than Rybka.

And when he says it's a clone, you have no proof other than his word. He won't reveal his source code.

There are at least 6 top programmers we asked, many (if not all) write here, in Germany sometimes and in their own places.

The verdict has always been the same from all of them. It is only the end users that disagree.

There is even a story attached to this, but I am not at liberty to tell you about it. Anyway, it all happened back in April. It was only a matter of time before someone found it. Merciful release one might say, so it's not all bad.

At least you all know what it is (and even then it is incomplete).

To me, (and many others) Ippolit is "old hat".



Christopher

[Gian-Carlo Pascutto]

It is really strange to ask for Vasik's verdict. What is to be expected? It is in his own interest to say Impolite is a clone of Rybka. The last thing he wants is a legal free engine which is better than Rybka.

Confirming it's Rybka 3 (or better) on the other hand might not be very good for Rybka 3 sales. And there is no Rybka 4 on the market yet.

And when he says it's a clone, you have no proof other than his word. He won't reveal his source code.

Oh, there is lots of proof, no need for Rybka 3 sources. But let's just keep quiet for a while and let a bunch of people make fools of themselves, just like with Strelka.

[Anton]

Oh, there is lots of proof, no need for Rybka 3 sources. But let's just keep quiet for a while ...

If there is clear evidence that Ippolit is a clone, then keeping quiet is only harming Vas's sales. there have been 200 downloads in the last 24 hours from Tony Thomas chess site, so keeping quiet in order to "make people look fools" is also hurting Vas's pocket.

[hgm]

I don't know Graham, Is it because someone is now guilty until proven innocent? What was Vas's verdict?

Of course someone is guilty until proven innocent. We are not insane...

[Gian-Carlo Pascutto]

If there is clear evidence that Ippolit is a clone, then keeping quiet is only harming Vas's sales. there have been 200 downloads in the last 24 hours from Tony Thomas chess site, so keeping quiet in order to "make people look fools" is also hurting Vas's pocket.

Vas has the possibility to make a statement about it.

It's been pointed out several times the software in question is illegal, so if people are still downloading it, I don't think they care for anyones opinion anyway. However, site owners have to remove the download after being notified it's illegal.