can chess program see win for white after e4 h6 d4 a5?

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yanquis1972
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Re: can chess program see win for white after e4 h6 d4 a5?

Post by yanquis1972 »

komodo also instantly gives 1.00+ for white. imo it has quite a bit more stable/accurate evaluation than stockfish.
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Arturo Ochoa
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Do you remember the Uri Blass' Opening 1. h3!!

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and winning... :D :lol: :D :lol:
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Dann Corbit
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Re: Do you remember the Uri Blass' Opening 1. h3!!

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Arturo Ochoa wrote:and winning... :D :lol: :D :lol:
You just never know what might happen on a given day:

[Event "Jason"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.11.09"]
[Round "8.5"]
[White "Fruit 05/11/03"]
[Black "Deep Shredder 11 w32 1CPU"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00"]

1.h3 e5 2.e3 d5 3.d4 Nd7 4.Nf3 e4 5.Nfd2 Ngf6 6.c4 c6 7.Nc3 Bd6 8.Be2 Qe7
9.O-O O-O 10.cxd5 cxd5 11.Nb5 Nb8 12.Nxd6 Qxd6 13.Nb1 a6 14.a4 Bf5 15.b3
Rc8 16.Ba3 Qb6 17.Qd2 Qe6 18.Nc3 Nc6 19.Rfc1 h6 20.b4 a5 21.bxa5 Nxa5 22.
Qa2 Qd7 23.Rab1 Be6 24.Rb6 Rc7 25.Bc5 Qc8 26.Nb5 Rc6 27.Nd6 Qc7 28.Rxc6
bxc6 29.Bb4 Qd7 30.Rb1 Ne8 31.Bxa5 Nxd6 32.Bb4 Nc4 33.a5 Qc7 34.Bc3 Kh7
35.Bxc4 dxc4 36.Rb6 f5 37.Qb1 Qd6 38.Qb4 Qxb4 39.Bxb4 Bd7 40.Kf1 Rc8 41.
Rb7 Be6 42.a6 Ra8 43.a7 c3 44.Ke1 Bc8 45.Rc7 Be6 46.Bxc3 Bd5 47.Bb4 Be6
48.Bc5 Bc8 49.Bf8 Kg6 50.Rxg7+ Kf6 51.Rc7 Ke6 52.Rxc6+ Kd5 53.Rc7 h5 54.
Bh6 Ke6 55.Bf4 Kd5 56.Rc5+ Ke6 57.d5+ 1-0

We even have humans punishing computers with the *cough* powerful 1.h3:

[Event "ICC 5 3 04/16/97"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club INT"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "insight"]
[Black "Crafty"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00d"]
[Variation "Clemenz Opening"]

1.h3 e5 2.h4 Be7 3.d4 exd4 4.Nf3 c5 5.c3 dxc3 6.Nxc3 Nf6 7.e4 O-O 8.e5 Ne8
9.Bd3 Nc6 10.Bxh7+ Kh8 11.Bb1 d6 12.Ng5 g6 13.h5 Bxg5 14.hxg6+ Kg8 15.Rh8+
Kg7 16.Rh7+ Kg8 17.Qh5 Qf6 18.exf6 Bd2+ 1-0
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Re: can chess program see win for white after e4 h6 d4 a5?

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Uri Blass wrote:I wonder what is your opinion:

1)Is it correct that white objectively has a winning position after these 2 mistakes by black
White has a big advantage. Between peer engines, white should win at least 90% I think. If white is me and black is Rybka, then that is another story.
2)Can chess program see a winning score based on deep search(the important thing is not a big score for white but seeing significant increase in score)?
Big scores in the opening are almost always a mistake, unless there is a whole lot of wood missing and the search is deep. I never trust a deep score in the opening with a search that is under one hour on a fast machine.

3)Does white always win in comp-comp games at long time control between top programs(Naum4.2 Stockfish1.6.3,Rybka3,Firebird1.2)?
I guess almost always.

4)What is the best plan for white?
Nf3 is my current guess, but I am not sure.

Is it Nc3 and Nf3 or maybe it should include at least one of c4 and f4 that fide master suggested in discussion in the following thread

http://chesstempo.com/chess-forum/gener ... 999.0.html

Some analysis by Rybka3 does not show a significant increase in score but of course more time is needed and if somebody with good hardware can give chess programs 24 hours to analyze then it may be interesting.

spinnakr2001 - signofjonas, Yahoo! Chess Game 2010
[D]rnbqkbnr/1pppppp1/7p/p7/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq a6 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit :

3.Nb1-c3
² (0.48) Depth: 2 00:00:00
3.Nb1-c3
² (0.37) Depth: 3 00:00:00
3.Nb1-c3
² (0.37) Depth: 4 00:00:00
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6
² (0.42) Depth: 5 00:00:00
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3
² (0.46) Depth: 6 00:00:00 3kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 Ng8-f6
² (0.48) Depth: 7 00:00:00 4kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 Ng8-f6 5.Bf1-d3
² (0.46) Depth: 8 00:00:00 9kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 Ng8-f6 5.Bf1-d3 g7-g5
² (0.57) Depth: 9 00:00:01 20kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.Bf1-c4 g5-g4 6.Nf3-h4
² (0.50) Depth: 10 00:00:01 38kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.Bf1-c4 g5-g4 6.Nf3-h4 Ng8-f6
² (0.55) Depth: 11 00:00:03 76kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.Bf1-c4 g5-g4 6.Nf3-h4 Nb8-c6 7.Bc1-e3 h6-h5
² (0.57) Depth: 12 00:00:07 162kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.h2-h3 Bf8-g7 6.Bf1-e2 c7-c6 7.0-0 Ng8-f6 8.e4-e5
² (0.61) Depth: 13 00:00:14 307kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.h2-h3 Bf8-g7 6.Bf1-e2 c7-c6 7.0-0 Ng8-f6 8.e4-e5
² (0.61) Depth: 14 00:00:25 544kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.h2-h3 Bf8-g7 6.Bf1-e2 c7-c6 7.0-0 Ng8-f6 8.e4-e5 Nf6-d5
² (0.60) Depth: 15 00:00:50 1114kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.h2-h3 Bf8-g7 6.Bf1-e2 c7-c6 7.0-0 Ng8-f6 8.e4-e5 Nf6-d5 9.e5xd6 Qd8xd6 10.Nc3-e4
² (0.61) Depth: 16 00:02:03 2625kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.h2-h3 Bf8-g7 6.Bf1-e2 c7-c6 7.0-0 Ng8-f6 8.e4-e5 Nf6-d5 9.e5xd6 Qd8xd6 10.Nc3-e4 Qd6-g6
² (0.61) Depth: 17 00:03:42 4831kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.h2-h3 Bf8-g7 6.Bf1-d3 Ng8-f6 7.0-0 Nb8-c6 8.Rf1-e1 0-0 9.a2-a3 e7-e6 10.Bc1-e3
² (0.59) Depth: 18 00:08:49 11716kN
3.Nb1-c3 d7-d6 4.Ng1-f3 g7-g5 5.h2-h3 Bf8-g7 6.Bf1-c4 Nb8-d7 7.0-0 e7-e6 8.Bc1-e3 Ng8-e7 9.Bc4-d3 c7-c6 10.Qd1-d2 0-0
² (0.61) Depth: 19 00:23:37 31017kN

(, 30.03.2010)

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Analysis from Q:\blunderbus.epd   
3/30/2010 12:28:35 PM Level: 180 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Ivanhoe64 v63 x64

1) a6                   
    Avoid move: 
    Best move (Ivanhoe64 v63 x64): Nb1-c3
    Not found in: 03:00
      2	00:01	         175	3.000	+0.59	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 e4e5
      2	00:01	         247	5.000	+0.59	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 e4e5
      3	00:01	         475	10.000	+0.46	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 e4e5 d7d6
      3	00:01	         556	11.000	+0.46	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 e4e5 d7d6
      4	00:01	         886	18.000	+0.53	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6b4 e4e5
      4	00:01	       1.195	25.000	+0.53	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6b4 e4e5
      5	00:01	       1.419	30.000	+0.53	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6b4 e4e5
      5	00:01	       1.788	38.000	+0.53	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6b4 e4e5
      6	00:01	       4.498	95.000	+0.43	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 d4d5 e7e5
      6	00:01	       5.842	124.000	+0.43	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 d4d5 e7e5
      7	00:01	       8.097	172.000	+0.39	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 d4d5 e7e5 Bc1e3 Nb8d7 h2h3 c7c6
      7	00:01	      11.657	248.000	+0.39	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 d4d5 e7e5 Bc1e3 Nb8d7 h2h3 c7c6
      8	00:01	      14.321	230.000	+0.39	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 d4d5 e7e5 Bc1e3 Nb8d7 h2h3 c7c6
      8	00:01	      25.026	403.000	+0.39	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 d4d5 e7e5 Bc1e3 Nb8d7 h2h3 c7c6
      9+	00:01	      31.163	399.000	+0.47	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 d4d5 Nb8d7 Bc1e3 Nf6g4 Be3d4 Nd7c5 h2h3
      9+	00:01	      35.293	452.000	+0.55	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 d4d5 Nb8d7 Bc1e3 Nf6g4 Be3d4 Nd7c5 h2h3
      9	00:01	      54.545	586.000	+0.60	Nb1c3 e7e6 d4d5 Ng8f6 d5xe6 d7xe6 Qd1xd8+ Ke8xd8 Bc1f4 Bf8d6 Ra1d1
      9	00:01	      63.648	684.000	+0.60	Nb1c3 e7e6 d4d5 Ng8f6 d5xe6 d7xe6 Qd1xd8+ Ke8xd8 Bc1f4 Bf8d6 Ra1d1
     10	00:01	      91.351	730.000	+0.59	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 c2c4 d7d6 Bc1d2
     10	00:01	     110.496	789.000	+0.59	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 c2c4 d7d6 Bc1d2
     11	00:01	     199.238	1.065.000	+0.62	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 Nb8c6 OO e7e6 Qd1e2 Nf6g4 h2h3
     11	00:01	     232.714	1.146.000	+0.62	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 Nb8c6 OO e7e6 Qd1e2 Nf6g4 h2h3
     12-	00:01	     394.013	1.262.000	+0.54	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 Nb8c6 OO e7e6 Qd1e2 Bc8d7 d4d5 Nc6e5 Nf3xe5 d6xe5 d5xe6 Bd7xe6 Bc4xe6 f7xe6
     12	00:01	     413.238	1.263.000	+0.55	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 c7c6 OO Nb8d7 Bc4d3 Qd8b6 b2b3 Qb6b4 Bc1b2
     12	00:01	     416.369	1.273.000	+0.55	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 c7c6 OO Nb8d7 Bc4d3 Qd8b6 b2b3 Qb6b4 Bc1b2
     13	00:02	     520.062	1.333.000	+0.61	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 c7c6 OO b7b5 Bc4d3 Qd8b6 Bc1e3 Nf6g4 e4e5 Ng4xe3 f2xe3
     13	00:02	     641.671	1.328.000	+0.61	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 c7c6 OO b7b5 Bc4d3 Qd8b6 Bc1e3 Nf6g4 e4e5 Ng4xe3 f2xe3
     14+	00:02	   1.134.961	1.485.000	+0.69	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 c7c6 OO b7b5 Bc4d3 Qd8b6 Bc1e3 Nf6g4 e4e5 Ng4xe3 f2xe3
     14	00:02	   1.295.627	1.566.000	+0.66	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1e2 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6e5 Nf3xe5 d6xe5 OO Qd8d6 Bc1e3 c7c6 Qd1d3 Bc8d7 Ra1e1 Qd6b4 b2b3
     14	00:02	   1.441.556	1.592.000	+0.66	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1e2 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6e5 Nf3xe5 d6xe5 OO Qd8d6 Bc1e3 c7c6 Qd1d3 Bc8d7 Ra1e1 Qd6b4 b2b3
     15-	00:03	   3.232.919	1.918.000	+0.58	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1e2 Nb8c6 OO e7e6 d4d5 Nc6e5 Nf3xe5 d6xe5 Be2b5+ Bc8d7 d5xe6 f7xe6 Bb5e2 g7g6 Bc1e3 Bd7c6 f2f3 g6g5
     15	00:03	   3.277.000	1.927.000	+0.59	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 OO d7d6 Bc1e3 Nc6b4 h2h3 Bc8e6 a2a4 Qd8d7
     15	00:03	   3.285.363	1.914.000	+0.59	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 OO d7d6 Bc1e3 Nc6b4 h2h3 Bc8e6 a2a4 Qd8d7
     16+	00:04	   5.056.785	1.906.000	+0.67	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 OO d7d6 Bc1e3 Nc6b4 h2h3 Bc8e6 a2a4 Bf8e7 Qd1e2 Nb4xd3 Qe2xd3
     16	00:04	   6.564.835	1.994.000	+0.67	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 d7d6 Bf1c4 Ng8f6 OO c7c6 Bc4d3 Nb8d7 Qd1e2 Qd8c7 h2h3 b7b5 Bc1f4 e6e5
     16	00:05	   7.147.461	1.762.000	+0.67	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 d7d6 Bf1c4 Ng8f6 OO c7c6 Bc4d3 Nb8d7 Qd1e2 Qd8c7 h2h3 b7b5 Bc1f4 e6e5
     17	00:06	   8.865.925	1.857.000	+0.66	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 d7d6 Bf1c4 Ng8f6 OO c7c6 Bc4d3 Nb8d7 Qd1e2 Qd8c7 Rf1d1 b7b5 e4e5 d6xe5 d4xe5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5
     17	00:07	  10.561.031	1.939.000	+0.66	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 d7d6 Bf1c4 Ng8f6 OO c7c6 Bc4d3 Nb8d7 Qd1e2 Qd8c7 Rf1d1 b7b5 e4e5 d6xe5 d4xe5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5
     18-	00:11	  21.580.390	2.144.000	+0.58	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 d7d6 Bf1d3 Ng8f6 OO Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6e5 Nf3xe5 d6xe5 Bd3b5+ Bc8d7 d5xe6 f7xe6 Bb5e2 g7g6 Bc1e3 Bd7c6 f2f3 g6g5
     18	00:13	  26.825.053	2.238.000	+0.59	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1b5+ c7c6 Bb5d3 Qd8b6 OO Nb8d7 Ra1b1 Qb6c7 h2h3 b7b5 Bc1e3 Nd7b6 d4d5 Nb6c4 Bd3xc4 b5xc4
     18	00:13	  26.851.614	2.223.000	+0.59	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1b5+ c7c6 Bb5d3 Qd8b6 OO Nb8d7 Ra1b1 Qb6c7 h2h3 b7b5 Bc1e3 Nd7b6 d4d5 Nb6c4 Bd3xc4 b5xc4
     19	00:16	  34.083.842	2.319.000	+0.57	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 c7c6 OO b7b5 Bc4d3 Nb8d7 Bc1e3 Nd7b6 d4d5 b5b4 Nc3e2 Bc8d7 d5xc6 Bd7xc6 e4e5 Nf6e4 Ne2f4 e7e6 Qd1e2 Ne4c5
     19	00:23	  49.219.433	2.274.000	+0.57	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 c7c6 OO b7b5 Bc4d3 Nb8d7 Bc1e3 Nd7b6 d4d5 b5b4 Nc3e2 Bc8d7 d5xc6 Bd7xc6 e4e5 Nf6e4 Ne2f4 e7e6 Qd1e2 Ne4c5
     20	00:36	  83.908.618	2.439.000	+0.58	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 OO d7d6 c2c3 Bf8e7 Bc1f4 OO h2h3 d6xe5 Nf3xe5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 f7f6 Be5f4 Be7d6 Qd1f3
     20	00:48	 114.474.466	2.424.000	+0.58	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 OO d7d6 c2c3 Bf8e7 Bc1f4 OO h2h3 d6xe5 Nf3xe5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 f7f6 Be5f4 Be7d6 Qd1f3
     21	00:56	 135.705.487	2.469.000	+0.58	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 OO d7d6 c2c3 Bf8e7 Bc1f4 OO h2h3 d6xe5 Nf3xe5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 f7f6 Be5f4 Be7d6 Qd1f3
     21	01:10	 169.656.806	2.457.000	+0.58	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 OO d7d6 c2c3 Bf8e7 Bc1f4 OO h2h3 d6xe5 Nf3xe5 Nc6xe5 Bf4xe5 f7f6 Be5f4 Be7d6 Qd1f3
     22	01:39	 245.263.821	2.510.000	+0.60	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 d7d5 e4xd5 Nf6xd5 OO Nb8c6 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 Rf1e1+ Bf8e7 c2c3 Bc8e6 Qd1b3 Ra8b8 Qb3c2 OO Bc1f4 Rf8e8 Bd3h7+ Kg8h8 Bh7f5 Be6xf5 Qc2xf5
     22	02:05	 325.001.428	2.626.000	+0.60	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 d7d5 e4xd5 Nf6xd5 OO Nb8c6 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 Rf1e1+ Bf8e7 c2c3 Bc8e6 Qd1b3 Ra8b8 Qb3c2 OO Bc1f4 Rf8e8 Bd3h7+ Kg8h8 Bh7f5 Be6xf5 Qc2xf5
   3/30/2010 12:31:40 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
3/30/2010 12:31:40 PM, Total time: 12:03:05 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from Q:\blunderbus.epd   
3/30/2010 12:28:35 PM Level: 180 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Rybka 3

1) a6                   
    Avoid move: 
    Best move (Rybka 3): Ng1-f3
    Not found in: 03:00
      2	00:00	         318	19.154	+0.48	Nb1c3
      3	00:00	         706	42.526	+0.37	Nb1c3
      4	00:00	       1.755	105.712	+0.37	Nb1c3
      5	00:00	       4.122	131.904	+0.42	Nb1c3 d7d6
      6	00:00	       8.958	143.328	+0.46	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3
      7	00:00	      13.133	141.559	+0.48	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6
      7	00:00	      17.215	139.906	+0.50	Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6
      8	00:00	      31.335	145.850	+0.51	Ng1f3 d7d6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6
      9	00:00	      50.946	151.653	+0.59	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 g7g5 Bf1c4 c7c6
     10	00:01	      77.371	153.542	+0.56	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 g7g5 Bf1c4 g5g4 Nf3h4
     11	00:01	     135.751	150.769	+0.63	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 g7g5 h2h3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6
     12	00:02	     228.524	154.563	+0.53	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 g7g5 h2h3 Ng8f6 Bf1c4 c7c6 e4e5
     12	00:03	     341.820	135.931	+0.60	Nb1c3 d7d6 Bf1e2 Ng8f6 Ng1f3
     13	00:04	     539.022	138.717	+0.63	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 h2h3 Bf8g7 Bf1e2 c7c6 OO Nb8d7 Bc1e3
     14	00:05	     730.575	143.535	+0.63	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 h2h3 Bf8g7 Bf1e2 c7c6 OO Nb8d7 Bc1e3
     15	00:11	   1.583.660	154.209	+0.65	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 h2h3 Bf8g7 Bf1e2 c7c6 OO Nb8d7 Bc1e3 Qd8c7
     16	00:18	   2.885.440	162.149	+0.56	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 h2h3 Bf8g7 Bf1e2 c7c6 OO Nb8d7 Qd1d3 Qd8c7 Nc3d1
     17	00:47	   7.132.027	156.254	+0.59	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 h2h3 Bf8g7 Bf1c4 Nb8d7 OO c7c6 Qd1e2 b7b5 Bc4d3 Qd8c7
     17	01:05	   9.392.396	148.592	+0.64	Ng1f3 e7e6 Bf1d3 d7d6 OO Ng8f6 e4e5 d6xe5 d4xe5 Nf6d7 Qd1e2 Nb8c6 Rf1d1 Bf8e7 Qe2e4
     18	01:23	  12.128.812	149.311	+0.63	Ng1f3 e7e6 Bf1d3 d7d6 OO Ng8f6 e4e5 d6xe5 d4xe5 Nf6d7 Qd1e2 Nb8c6 Nb1c3 g7g5 Bd3b5 g5g4 Nf3e1 h6h5
   3/30/2010 12:35:08 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
3/30/2010 12:35:09 PM, Total time: 12:06:33 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from Q:\blunderbus.epd   
3/30/2010 12:28:35 PM Level: 180 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Stockfish64 163s(dc)

1) a6                   
    Avoid move: 
    Best move (Stockfish64 163s(dc)): Ng1-f3
    Not found in: 03:00
      2	00:01	          76	41	+0.92	Nb1c3 Ng8f6
      3	00:01	         291	160	+1.33	Nb1c3 Ng8f6 Ng1f3
      4	00:01	       1.080	593	+1.29	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6
      5	00:02	       2.043	977	+1.41	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6b4 Ng1f3
      6	00:02	       3.625	1.266	+1.21	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 d6xe5 Nf3xe5
      7	00:10	      12.211	1.220	+1.61	Nb1c3 c7c6 Ng1f3 b7b5 e4e5 d7d5 Bf1d3
      8	00:13	      55.578	4.201	+1.45	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6e5 Bc1e3 Ne5g6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6
      9	00:22	     124.544	5.646	+1.29	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6e5 f2f4 Ne5g6 Ng1f3 e7e6 f4f5 e6xf5 e4xf5
     10	00:25	     143.911	5.755	+1.29	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6e5 f2f4 Ne5g6 Ng1f3 e7e6 f4f5 e6xf5 e4xf5
     11+	00:25	     177.206	7.083	+1.49	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6e5 f2f4 Ne5g6 Ng1f3 e7e6 f4f5 e6xf5 e4xf5
     12	00:25	     871.339	34.334	+1.45	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Bf8b4 Bf1d3 Bb4xc3+ b2xc3 Nb8c6 OO Ng8f6 Bc1a3 d7d6 e4e5 Nf6d5 c3c4
     13	00:29	   1.351.754	46.199	+1.61	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bf1d3 c7c5 Ng1f3 c5xd4 Nf3xd4 Bf8c5 Nd4b3 Bc5b4 OO Bb4xc3 b2xc3 Ng8f6
     14	00:29	   1.870.778	63.577	+1.37	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 Ng1f3 Bf8b4 OO Bb4xc3 b2xc3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6d5 c3c4 Nd5b4 Bd3e4 OO c2c3
     14	00:29	   3.223.347	108.195	+1.65	Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6e4 Bf1b5 Nb8c6 OO e7e6 d4d5 e6xd5 Qd1xd5 Ne4g5 Rf1d1 Ng5xf3+ Qd5xf3 Nc6xe5
     15-	00:30	   3.698.056	123.313	+1.41	Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6e4 Bf1b5 Nb8c6 OO e7e6 d4d5 e6xd5 Qd1xd5 Ne4g5 Rf1d1 Ng5xf3+ Qd5xf3 Nc6xe5
     16	00:30	   5.874.609	190.814	+1.53	Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6e4 Bf1b5 Nb8c6 OO e7e6 d4d5 e6xd5 Qd1xd5 Ne4g5 Rf1d1 Ng5xf3+ g2xf3 Qd8e7 Nb1c3 Qe7e6 Bc1f4 Qe6xd5 Nc3xd5
     17	00:32	   9.759.964	300.445	+1.53	Ng1f3 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6e4 Bf1b5 Nb8c6 OO e7e6 d4d5 e6xd5 Qd1xd5 Ne4g5 Rf1d1 Ng5xf3+ g2xf3 Qd8e7 Nb1c3 Qe7e6 Bc1f4 Qe6xd5 Nc3xd5
     18	00:40	  42.360.215	1.034.033	+1.41	Ng1f3 e7e6 Bf1b5 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6e4 OO Nb8c6 Nb1d2 Ne4xd2 Bc1xd2 Bf8e7 c2c3 d7d6 Qd1c2 Be7g5 e5xd6 c7xd6 Nf3xg5 h6xg5 Ra1e1 Ke8f8
     19	00:59	 109.329.051	1.837.988	+1.49	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 OO e7e6 Bd3b5 Bc8d7 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 Rf1e1 Bf8e7 e5xd6 c7xd6 c2c4 Bd7e6 c4xd5 Be6xd5
     20	01:23	 199.356.162	2.386.270	+1.33	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 Ng8f6 Bf1b5+ c7c6 Bb5e2 d6d5 e4xd5 c6xd5 OO Nb8c6 Nf3e5 e7e6 Bc1f4 Bf8e7 Be2b5 Bc8d7 Bb5xc6 Bd7xc6 Ne5xc6 b7xc6
     21	02:06	 347.929.337	2.759.832	+1.37	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 Ng8f6 Bf1e2 e7e6 OO Bf8e7 e4e5 d6xe5 d4xe5 Qd8xd1 Rf1xd1 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 Rd1xd5 Bc8e6 Rd5d1 Nb8c6 Bc1e3 OO a2a3 Rf8d8 Be2b5 Rd8d5 Rd1xd5 Be6xd5
     22	02:57	 539.138.041	3.039.555	+1.33	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 e7e6 OO Nb8c6 a2a3 Bf8e7 e4e5 d6xe5 d4xe5 Nf6d5 Nc3b5 OO Qd1e2 f7f5 c2c4 Nd5b6 Rf1d1 Bc8d7 Bc1e3 Nb6a4 Bd3c2 Na4c5 Qe2d2 Rf8f7 Qd2c3 b7b6
   3/30/2010 12:38:18 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
3/30/2010 12:38:19 PM, Total time: 12:09:43 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from Q:\blunderbus.epd   
3/30/2010 12:28:35 PM Level: 180 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Naum-4:64-bit

1) a6                   
    Avoid move: 
    Best move (Naum-4:64-bit): Nb1-c3
    Not found in: 03:00
     2/6	00:00	         159	159.000	+0.56	Nb1c3 Ng8f6
     3/5	00:00	         326	326.000	+1.16	Nb1c3 Ng8f6 Ng1f3
     4/10	00:00	       2.284	761.333	+0.51	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6
     5/9	00:00	       2.521	630.250	+0.79	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bc1f4
     6/17	00:00	       4.688	781.333	+1.15	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 d4d5 Nc6b4 a2a3 Nb4a6
     7/15	00:00	      20.732	1.295.750	+0.73	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bc1f4 Bc8g4 Qd1b1
     8/16	00:00	      27.338	1.301.809	+0.83	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1b5+ c7c6 Bb5c4 Bc8g4
     9/23	00:00	      56.793	1.721.000	+0.87	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1e2 d6d5 e4xd5 Nf6xd5 Nc3xd5
    10/23	00:00	     110.886	1.980.107	+0.79	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1e2 g7g5 h2h3 d6d5 e4e5 Nf6e4
    11/27	00:00	     327.362	2.424.903	+1.13	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1e2 g7g5 OO g5g4 Nf3h4 Nb8c6 Bc1f4
    12/26	00:00	     375.412	2.391.159	+1.13	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1e2 g7g5 OO g5g4 Nf3h4 Nb8c6 Bc1f4 Bf8g7
    13/32	00:01	   2.110.083	2.855.322	+1.02	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 Bf1c4 g5g4 Nf3h4 Nb8c6 OO e7e5 d4d5 Qd8xh4 d5xc6
    14/27	00:01	   2.300.350	2.882.644	+1.02	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 Bf1c4 g5g4 Nf3h4 Nb8c6 OO e7e5 d4d5 Qd8xh4 d5xc6 b7xc6
    15/31	00:01	   3.959.134	2.979.032	+0.99	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 Bf1b5+ Bc8d7 h2h3 Bd7xb5 Nc3xb5 Ng8f6 Qd1e2 Nb8c6 OO Bf8g7 Bc1d2
    16/40	00:03	   8.767.731	2.973.120	+0.96	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 Bf1b5+ Bc8d7 Bb5xd7+ Nb8xd7 h2h3 Bf8g7 OO c7c5 Bc1e3 c5xd4 Nf3xd4 Bg7xd4
    17/41	00:09	  29.099.831	3.284.034	+0.96	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 Bf1e2 g5g4 Nf3d2 Ng8f6 Nd2c4 d6d5 e4xd5 Nf6xd5 Be2xg4 Bc8xg4 Qd1xg4 Nb8c6 OO
    18/40	00:20	  67.291.798	3.357.706	+0.96	Nb1c3 d7d6 Bf1e2 Ng8f6 Ng1f3 g7g5 OO Bf8g7 e4e5 Nf6d7 e5xd6 c7xd6 Bc1e3 Nb8c6 Rf1e1 OO h2h3 Nd7f6
    19/46	00:47	 160.861.399	3.414.011	+0.94	Nb1c3 d7d6 Ng1f3 g7g5 Bc1e3 Ng8f6 h2h3 d6d5 Bf1d3 d5xe4 Nc3xe4 Nb8c6 Ne4xf6+ e7xf6 OO g5g4 h3xg4 Bc8xg4 Rf1e1
   3/30/2010 12:41:32 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
3/30/2010 12:41:33 PM, Total time: 12:12:57 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from Q:\blunderbus.epd   
3/30/2010 12:43:02 PM Level: 180 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Protector-133-64-ja

1) a6                   
    Avoid move: 
    Best move (Protector-133-64-ja): Ng1-f3
    Not found in: 03:00
     2/3	00:02	          68	0	+0.81	Nb1c3 Ng8f6
     3/4	00:02	         237	0	+0.86	Nb1c3 Ng8f6 Bc1f4
     4/5	00:02	       1.982	0	+0.84	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Bc1f4 Ng8f6
     5/7	00:02	       5.355	0	+0.77	Nb1c3 Nb8c6 Bc1f4 Ng8f6 Ng1f3
     6/9	00:02	      15.694	0	+0.77	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 Ng8f6 Ng1f3 Nb8c6
     7/11	00:02	      34.326	0	+0.91	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Nb8c6 Bf1e2 Ng8f6 OO
     8/13	00:02	      62.307	0	+1.00	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Bf8b4 Bf1d3 Ng8f6 OO OO
     9/14	00:02	     102.392	736.360	+0.90	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Nb8c6 Bf1d3 Nc6b4 Bd3e2 Ng8f6
    10/15	00:02	     264.271	736.360	+1.00	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Nb8c6 Bf1d3 Nc6b4 Bd3e2 Ng8f6
    11/16	00:02	     383.728	736.360	+0.96	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Bf8b4 Bf1d3 Ng8f6 OO Nb8c6
    12/19	00:03	     773.842	1.523.699	+1.05	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Bf8e7 Bf1e2 Nb8c6 e4e5 b7b6
    13/21	00:04	   1.614.393	1.962.032	+1.05	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 Ng1f3 d7d6 OO Ng8f6
    14/23	00:06	   3.346.645	2.282.537	+0.98	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bf1d3 b7b6 Ng1f3 Bf8b4 OO Bb4xc3
    14/23	00:08	   4.547.005	2.320.571	+1.11	Ng1f3 e7e6 Bf1d3 Ng8f6 OO b7b6 e4e5 Nf6d5
    15/24	00:11	   7.300.864	2.349.197	+0.97	Ng1f3 e7e6 Bf1d3 Ng8f6 OO Bf8e7 Nb1c3 d7d5
    16/27	00:20	  14.709.976	2.745.941	+1.00	Ng1f3 e7e6 Bf1d3 Ng8f6 OO Nb8c6 Nb1c3 d7d6
    17/32	01:16	  58.275.610	2.880.900	+0.99	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 OO e7e5
    18/33	02:31	 108.564.534	2.763.849	+0.91	Ng1f3 d7d6 Nb1c3 Ng8f6 Bf1b5+ c7c6 Bb5e2 g7g5
   3/30/2010 12:46:06 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
3/30/2010 12:46:07 PM, Total time: 12:03:05 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds

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Analysis from Q:\blunderbus.epd   
3/30/2010 12:43:02 PM Level: 180 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Spark-0.3a-vc64-mp

1) a6                   
    Avoid move: 
    Best move (Spark-0.3a-vc64-mp): Ng1-f3
    Not found in: 03:00
     2/1	00:00	          69	0	+0.79	Nb1c3 e7e6
     3/2	00:00	         256	381	+1.06	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4
     4/3	00:03	       3.043	911	+0.70	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 Nb8c6
     5/4	00:03	       5.142	1.533	+0.94	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 Nb8c6 Ng1f3
     6/5	00:03	       7.608	2.268	+0.76	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 Nb8c6 Ng1f3 d7d5
     7/8	00:03	      19.460	5.776	+0.90	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Nb8c6 Nf3e5 Qd8h4 Bc1e3 Nc6xe5 d4xe5
     8/8	00:03	      36.728	10.901	+0.85	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Nb8c6 Bc1e3 d7d5 Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 d4xe5
     9/12	00:03	      75.000	21.657	+0.87	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Nb8c6 Bc1e3 Ng8f6 Nf3e5 Nc6xe5 d4xe5
    10/12	00:03	     178.074	46.025	+0.73	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 Bc1f4 d7d5 e4e5 Nf6g4
    11/14	00:03	     413.391	104.735	+0.72	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 Bc1f4 Bf8b4 OO d7d5 e4e5 Bb4xc3 b2xc3
    12/16	00:04	   1.069.121	244.762	+0.72	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 Bc1f4 Bf8b4 OO d7d5 e4e5 Bb4xc3 b2xc3
    13/20	00:04	   1.891.412	418.083	+0.72	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 Bc1f4 Bf8b4 OO d7d5 e4e5 Bb4xc3 b2xc3
    14/20	00:05	   6.306.195	1.195.940	+0.76	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 Nb8c6 d4d5 e6xd5 e4xd5 Qd8e7+ Ke1d2 Nc6e5 Ng1f3 Ne5g4 Qd1e1 d7d6 Bf1b5+ Bc8d7 Bb5xd7+ Ke8xd7
    15/22	00:06	  11.248.145	1.816.267	+0.69	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 Qd1f3 Qd8e7 Bf4d2 Qe7e6 Ng1e2 Nb8c6 a2a3 Bf8e7
    16/26	00:11	  36.001.684	3.273.475	+0.67	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 d7d5 e4xd5 e6xd5 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1b5+ c7c6 Bb5d3 Bc8e6 Qd1e2 g7g5 Bf4g3 Bf8b4 Nf3e5 Nb8d7
    17/27	00:14	  56.024.490	3.792.357	+0.72	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bc1f4 d7d5 e4xd5 e6xd5 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1b5+ c7c6 Bb5d3 Bc8e6 Qd1e2 g7g5 Bf4g3 Bf8e7 Bd3g6 OO OO
    18/30	00:38	 131.200.663	3.403.566	+0.74	Nb1c3 e7e6 Ng1f3 Ng8f6 Bf1d3 Nb8c6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 Qd1e2 a5a4 a2a3 b7b6 Bc1d2 Bc8b7 OO Bf8e7 Bd3f5
    19/35	00:51	 197.071.725	3.844.401	+0.67	Nb1c3 e7e6 Bf1b5 Ng8f6 e4e5 Nf6d5 Nc3xd5 e6xd5 c2c3 c7c6 Bb5d3 d7d6 Ng1f3 d6xe5 Nf3xe5 Nb8d7 Bc1f4 Qd8f6 Qd1e2 Nd7xe5 Qe2xe5+ Bf8e7
    19/36	01:18	 336.569.198	4.290.949	+0.75	Ng1f3 e7e6 Bf1b5 c7c6 Bb5d3 d7d5 Nb1c3 d5xe4 Nc3xe4 Ng8f6 Ne4xf6+ Qd8xf6 OO Bf8d6 Bc1d2 Nb8d7 c2c3 OO Rf1e1 Rf8e8 Qd1b3
    20/36	01:28	 388.610.840	4.401.975	+0.72	Ng1f3 e7e6 Bf1b5 c7c6 Bb5d3 d7d5 Nb1c3 d5xe4 Nc3xe4 Ng8f6 Ne4xf6+ Qd8xf6 OO Bf8d6 Bc1d2 Nb8d7 c2c3 OO Rf1e1 Rf8e8 Qd1a4 Nd7b6
    21/42	01:59	 548.410.917	4.603.775	+0.73	Ng1f3 e7e6 Bf1b5 c7c6 Bb5d3 d7d5 Nb1c3 d5xe4 Nc3xe4 Ng8f6 Ne4xf6+ Qd8xf6 OO Bf8d6 Bc1d2 Nb8d7 c2c3 OO Rf1e1 Rf8d8 Qd1b3 b7b5 a2a4
   3/30/2010 12:49:13 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:03:00, Rated time: 03:00

0 of 1 matching moves
3/30/2010 12:49:14 PM, Total time: 12:06:12 AM
Rated time: 03:00 = 180 Seconds
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Terry McCracken
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Re: Do you remember the Uri Blass' Opening 1. h3!!

Post by Terry McCracken »

Arturo Ochoa wrote:and winning... :D :lol: :D :lol:
If God were playing God then White would probably win. There's no question that White has an advantage in the centre, in space and in developement with no structural weaknesses like Black and quite likely is convertable to a win many many moves down the road.

Can I prove it? No, I can't but likely that will be the case and will be proven likely before the 22nd century.

My best guess, White has a win imho.
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Milos
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Re: can chess program see win for white after e4 h6 d4 a5?

Post by Milos »

Dann Corbit wrote:White has a big advantage. Between peer engines, white should win at least 90% I think.
You think wrongly or you are not really thinking when you are writing this. 90% means 400 elo points. 2 week opening moves = 400 elo points?????
400 elo is even more than exchange handicap.
Please next time think before you write.
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Dann Corbit
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Re: can chess program see win for white after e4 h6 d4 a5?

Post by Dann Corbit »

Milos wrote:
Dann Corbit wrote:White has a big advantage. Between peer engines, white should win at least 90% I think.
You think wrongly or you are not really thinking when you are writing this. 90% means 400 elo points. 2 week opening moves = 400 elo points?????
400 elo is even more than exchange handicap.
Please next time think before you write.
I think that the advantage is about one pawn.

I think that a very strong chess engine will win almost every game with a one pawn advantage against a peer.

It's certainly worth an experiment.
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Milos
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Re: can chess program see win for white after e4 h6 d4 a5?

Post by Milos »

Dann Corbit wrote:I think that the advantage is about one pawn.

I think that a very strong chess engine will win almost every game with a one pawn advantage against a peer.

It's certainly worth an experiment.
You can try. It's certainly not worth a pawn. Analysis from the position is completely useless. Just play few games and you'll see.
What I can immediately tell you that you can be really lucky if you get more than 65% with any of the stronger engines.
For example, currently FB1.2 against itself +2/-0/=8 for white at 3min/game. Even with 10 games sufficient to tell that it will be less than 80%.
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Re: can chess program see win for white after e4 h6 d4 a5?

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Dann Corbit wrote:I think that the advantage is about one pawn.
As White, would you prefer to play this position or to play the standard position with Pc7 removed?
I think that a very strong chess engine will win almost every game with a one pawn advantage against a peer.
Almost every game means 95%, let's say? That is 600 Elo, more or less? Isn't this too much for a pawn handicap?

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Re: Do you remember the Uri Blass' Opening 1. h3!!

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Terry McCracken wrote:If God were playing God then White would probably win.
Without a substantial material advantage or a forced tactical line, not the case in this undeveloped position, God playing God would draw ALL games :)
Can I prove it? No, I can't but likely that will be the case and will be proven likely before the 22nd century.
More likely, never. There're no logical perspectives to solve the game in the future. Even in Star Trek, where the light speed is not a limit, they play chess :) (OK 3D chess OK... :))
My best guess, White has a win imho.
Very optimistic. But still a guess :)

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