IBM super-computer with 8792 processors!

[Taner Altinsoy]

This has always been the case especially in World Championships since the time of probably Botwinnik. If I remember right Karpov went to meet Kornchnoi with a team of 40 people. When the games were adjourned, teams of Soviet GM's would sit down around the table whole night and try to figure out a win or draw for the Champion while he was asleep and the next morning they would present the findings.

Attacking Anand for getting help from elite GM's is really absurd in my opinion while almost no GM goes to candidates matches without seconds. So Anand's fault is his seconds being better than others right? riiiiigh... Isn't it always the aim? Try to get the best in the world? At least you have to give it to the guy for his honesty that he shares all these information with public.

Taner

[shiv]

I really do not buy the bluegene stuff as the following article from chessdom indicates: "The only problem for Topalov was that there is no software that runs on such hardware. For Dnevnik Topalov revealed that he has collected a team of computer professionals to modify a program to work on the Blue Gene. " at http://players.chessdom.com/veselin-top ... lue-gene-p

That means crafty or some powerpc program was modified to run on blue gene (maybe rybka on powerpc?!?). I really doubt the modification and benchmarking can be effectively done in such short time before a match.

Topalov too had a core team of Cheparinov, L'Ami, Smeets, and Dufek to help (and probably much larger extended team who he did not reveal yet) and of course the blue gene and other clusters. Lets not forget he had huge support from the prime minister of Bulgaria.

Also the help Anand got from Carlsen, Kasparov, and Kramnik is overestimated. It was just a few days with Carlsen, a few hours (to a max of one day) with Kasparov and even less with Kramnik. Normally, one trains for months with seconds.

Not sure why Anand revealed this information. I do not see what he gained.

[Father]

I like to play versus Bg in engines room from playchess.com ... Does Bg understand an antichesser... probably Bg couldnt understand and then been crazy

[Terry McCracken]

I like to play versus Bg in engines room from playchess.com ... Does Bg understand an antichesser... probably Bg couldnt understand and then been crazy

Oh it could be made to understand and it would be more than formidable.

Blue Gene/L is one of the fastest all purpose computers on earth.

[Hood]

I really do not buy the bluegene stuff as the following article from chessdom indicates: "The only problem for Topalov was that there is no software that runs on such hardware. For Dnevnik Topalov revealed that he has collected a team of computer professionals to modify a program to work on the Blue Gene. " at http://players.chessdom.com/veselin-top ... lue-gene-p

That means crafty or some powerpc program was modified to run on blue gene (maybe rybka on powerpc?!?). I really doubt the modification and benchmarking can be effectively done in such short time before a match.

Topalov too had a core team of Cheparinov, L'Ami, Smeets, and Dufek to help (and probably much larger extended team who he did not reveal yet) and of course the blue gene and other clusters. Lets not forget he had huge support from the prime minister of Bulgaria.

Also the help Anand got from Carlsen, Kasparov, and Kramnik is overestimated. It was just a few days with Carlsen, a few hours (to a max of one day) with Kasparov and even less with Kramnik. Normally, one trains for months with seconds.

Not sure why Anand revealed this information. I do not see what he gained.

The seconds term is coming from european duel tradition.
They were assistants who helped the wounded man and were controlling
the following of the rules of the duel. They were not participating or helping in 'dueling'.

From Morphy to Aljechin it were dueals between 2 players and it was real individual championships.

Botvinnik started with involving supporting seconds
Anand with involving pretenders as seconds.
Next limit is broken.

Shall it be called 'individual championship' ?

I think the formula of competition shall be changed, no match of 2 players
but the tournament as in the olympic voleyball games.
rgds Hood

I would not overestimate the role of BG if true. The top player aided by 16 core is much more effective.

[beachknight]

This article is fascinating in so many ways.

Three of the world's very best/top chess players - Kasparov, Carlson, and Kramnik - all gave their personal help to Anand. And Kasparov and Kramnik both helped Anand *during* the match via phone calls and Skype.

Knowledge that 'personal support facts' and the result of the match makes Topalov moral winner of the match, is not it ?

Alone versus the clan.

Topalov lost pure and simple. There's no moral victory just ignominious defeat.

You do not know or do not understand about what I wrote .

It's difficult to understand where you're coming from. Topalov spends 10s of thousands of dollars for the use of a cluster and gets a special dispensation from the government of Bulgaria for the use of Deep Gene in order to out-compute his opponent in preparation. Anand talks to his friends. I'd call that even-steven. Ultimately, they both were alone at the board, and the best man won.

Jeremy

Anand was having access to 64 core system. So the access to the Gene computer is not big advantage as it is university computer busy with other tasks.
Kasparov, Kramnik, Carlsen do have access to the strong computers either, so KK help during the match was not only by words but by variants either, most probably and that breaks the rule of the match.

It is the 1st case when the top players are involved in the WCC match (individual !) as supporters and it is the bad case.
If the unwritten rule is broken 1st time it will be broken next time for sure
and it will be the end of individual championship.

Now we could say that we have the 'group' champion Anand-Kramnik-Kasparov who faced Topalov.
Next time Topalov or other Anand oponent shall invite Wang-Yue, Ivanchuk, Aronian etc. for his team.

It will be the 'real individual' championship.

Your logic assumes that either participant in the match has either a perfect memory, or remote access to his hardware/friends during the games. Sorry that your guy lost, but lose he did, in a very close match.

Jeremy

My guy ? May be... let it be.

My logic is not assuming the access during the games but that the role of the preparation is extremly high now and is deciding factor . The good novelty equals the point in the match. 3 good novelties and match is over.

The way Anand prepared and performed the match is questioning the individual attribute of the title.

Lets say in correspondence play - computer aided - the player gets additional consultations from other top players . It is fair or not ?

There the player was getting consultations during the match - i.e. novelties.

rgds Hood

Yep i agree. They should not read any chess books or
talk to other top players. It should all come from their
own brain.
Now they look like a computer playing.

P.S.It is all chess and any move they can think up or have help
with that is the game. I once mated a fellow in something like
15 moves. It was a trap i got from a book. I was just about kicked
out of my chess club.

But Gerold,the way you present it,they should then lock them in steel cages during the whole match,passing the food and water through the bars and let them out chained to the cages only during the games
Oh,and a toilet inside the cage of course regards,
Dr.D

and laptop is a must too!

best,

[diep]

"We now know that his opponent Veselin Topalov had access to an IBM super-computer with 8792 processors!"

Source: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6348

I guess 8792 is the code for GM Erwin l'Ami and GM Jan Smeets each equipped with an IBM laptop with core2 duo processor.

Of course that's very powerful as an analysis team. Far more powerful than any machine you can show up with where Diep or DeepSjeng work at (but not rybka).

Vincent

[Leto]

I really do not buy the bluegene stuff as the following article from chessdom indicates: "The only problem for Topalov was that there is no software that runs on such hardware. For Dnevnik Topalov revealed that he has collected a team of computer professionals to modify a program to work on the Blue Gene. " at http://players.chessdom.com/veselin-top ... lue-gene-p

That means crafty or some powerpc program was modified to run on blue gene (maybe rybka on powerpc?!?). I really doubt the modification and benchmarking can be effectively done in such short time before a match.

Topalov too had a core team of Cheparinov, L'Ami, Smeets, and Dufek to help (and probably much larger extended team who he did not reveal yet) and of course the blue gene and other clusters. Lets not forget he had huge support from the prime minister of Bulgaria.

Also the help Anand got from Carlsen, Kasparov, and Kramnik is overestimated. It was just a few days with Carlsen, a few hours (to a max of one day) with Kasparov and even less with Kramnik. Normally, one trains for months with seconds.

Not sure why Anand revealed this information. I do not see what he gained.

Even if they had worked with him for months I don't see how it would help him, their style is very different from his.

[shiv]

I really do not buy the bluegene stuff as the following article from chessdom indicates: "The only problem for Topalov was that there is no software that runs on such hardware. For Dnevnik Topalov revealed that he has collected a team of computer professionals to modify a program to work on the Blue Gene. " at http://players.chessdom.com/veselin-top ... lue-gene-p

That means crafty or some powerpc program was modified to run on blue gene (maybe rybka on powerpc?!?). I really doubt the modification and benchmarking can be effectively done in such short time before a match.

Topalov too had a core team of Cheparinov, L'Ami, Smeets, and Dufek to help (and probably much larger extended team who he did not reveal yet) and of course the blue gene and other clusters. Lets not forget he had huge support from the prime minister of Bulgaria.

Also the help Anand got from Carlsen, Kasparov, and Kramnik is overestimated. It was just a few days with Carlsen, a few hours (to a max of one day) with Kasparov and even less with Kramnik. Normally, one trains for months with seconds.

Not sure why Anand revealed this information. I do not see what he gained.

Even if they had worked with him for months I don't see how it would help him, their style is very different from his.

At least in that case, one can say that he was seriously working with people of a different style in order to be more broad. However, as you note, one probably needs far more than a few months.

The Carlsen Kasparov relationship also has two players of different styles but they did work far longer together than a few months.