Father(Human) wins to Rybka 4. May 22, 2010. Beta - Photos

[Nimzovik]

I must say....... It is quite amusing to observe the controversy. IMHO Pablo is demonstrating a principle. This is certainly not the first time he has incited such threads. I suggest some of the noobs search and get up to speed. A programmer or two have responded to Pablo in an affirmitive manner in regard to his (Pablo's) paradigm if I recall correctly.

[Arturo Ochoa]

I must say....... It is quite amusing to observe the controversy. IMHO Pablo is demonstrating a principle. This is certainly not the first time he has incited such threads. I suggest some of the noobs search and get up to speed. A programmer or two have responded to Pablo in an affirmitive manner in regard to his (Pablo's) paradigm if I recall correctly.

A principle and a paradigm for a hoax?!

[Nimzovik]

Wellllllll.......... apparantly the joke was on the program!!

[Arturo Ochoa]

Wellllllll.......... apparantly the joke was on the program!!

The Gui: Yes. The ChessBase Gui lets cheat like this... That is the reason why I play with other Guis...

[Nimzovik]

It's not the Gui's job to recognize a fortress.

[Arturo Ochoa]

It's not the Gui's job to recognize a fortress.

Ah, the engine must recognize the time bugs in the Gui.. interesting and you mean one game from 5000 and the rest by time. Ok.... I understand the hoax

[ovidio123]

Gracias, nuevamente, por dignarte a responderme.
1) Jamas dije que mi dominio del ingles era total, or excelente. Te hice notar que vos, como critico del manejo del ingles que Pablo utiliza, tambien comete errores. No critiques a otros lo que vos haces. Acerca de tu opinion, sobre el uso que hice de la palabra “posting”, quiero hacerte notar que no es correcta. La palabra “posting” tanbien es utilizada como sujeto:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/posting

Noun1.posting - a sign posted in a public place as an advertisement; "a poster advertised the coming attractions"
placard, poster, notice, bill, card
sign - a public display of a message; "he posted signs in all the shop windows"
show bill, show card, theatrical poster - a poster advertising a show or play
flash card, flashcard - a card with words or numbers or pictures that is flashed to a class by the teacher

2) Tu justificacion de la rudeza que empleaste con Pablo describiendo tu conocimiento de ajedrez, o de programacion, no es ni importante, ni relevente para esta discussion. Una persona superior que esta por encima de las mediocridades no desciende al nivel de bajeza del resto. Mas aun, una persona superior desea que los mediocres puedan ascender a sus alturas.

3) Tu critica del termino “Antichess” que Pablo utiliza para describir su forma de juego, no es totalmente justificada. La misma Wikipedia, en el articulo citado por vos, acepta la existencia de varios tipos de variacion de Antichess.

“The most widely played variation, as described in the book Popular Chess Variants by D.B. Pritchard, is described below.”

Asi mismo, la Wikipedia tambien analiza lo que es llamado el “Anti-Football”. En ese mismo ariticulo, J. Cruyff describe el anti-football de esta manera: “The phrase was used by Johan Cruyff in 2002 to criticise the tactics that helped Brazil to win the World Cup, stating: "Brazil deserved their win but they aren't a team; they play anti-football and only took advantage of the mistakes of their opponents." “ Haciendo una analogia entre los dos terminus, entonces podemos ver que Pablo efectivamente juega el AntiChess.

4) El hecho de que Pablo utilize titulos y palabras de tamano 36 es aun menos relevante a esta discusion que tu descripcion de tus conocimeintos ajedrecisticos y de programacion. Lo que si es relevante es el hecho que en tus “posting” demostras una antipatia personal, y no ajedrecistica, en contra de Pablo.

Gracias.

[michiguel]

I believe it would be quite possible for me to make a program that Father would never, ever, draw or beat. The problem is that the program would be much worse against other opposition, and its more fun to work on general improvements than anti-anti-computer stuff. The whole area is unlikely to be addressed seriously unless engines are allowed to receive reliable information about their opposition (such as humans receive).

One big problem in computer chess is the tools we use generally are poorly suited for supporting passing the engine knowledge about the opponent. For example, I enquired with testing groups whether they passed rating information in the UCI protocol, so that I could have hannibal auto-adjust playing style based on rating difference. The answer was universally no. Until information about an opponent becomes commonly available to chess engines, it is unlikely much progress in this area will occur.

-Sam

Which shows that this community has departed a while ago from the "Artificial Intelligence" camp. It would be nice if a program could understand who is playing and adjust accordingly, like humans do. It would be nice if the programs could offer and accept draws, sensibly, understand their position in the tournament, play for a win, draw, etc. But who appreciate this? We are building a bunch of stateless calculators.

Miguel

[Hood]

I woud prefer it to be the tool.
Do not forget Skynet
H

[Father]

May 27,2010

Man versus Machine

Deep Rybka 4 x64: 17.5 plies; 336kN/s Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme CPU X9650 @ 3.00GHz 3715MHz, (4 CPUs)

... and, "two rooks over or in advantage were not enough" ...

Regards,

Father
Playchess.com user
Pablo Ignacio Restrepo S

[Event "Partida evaluada, 3m + 0s"]
[Site "Sala de máquinas"]
[Date "2010.05.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Father"]
[Black "Eptantoin"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "1931"]
[BlackElo "2602"]
[PlyCount "315"]
[EventDate "2010.05.27"]
[TimeControl "180"]

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