Rybka 4, free download?

[AdminX]

I do not like to support rybka4 after Rybka supported topalov against anand.

Uri

You are kidding right! Last I heard Topalov paid for access to Rybka, it was not offered to him for free or was it? If it was then I would say they supported Topalov. Not that I see that as a reason not to buy Rybka 4. Now if you said it was because they never gave Rybka 3 customers Rybka 3+ as promised I could understand that.

PS: Did you see ...

Veselin Topalov: I do not think Anand should be very proud of this. Especially by the fact he accepted help from the first two. I have been among the chess elite for 15 years and perfectly remember how Kasparov treated Anand for years. And not long before the World Championship match in Bonn 2008, Anand had to stand the arrogant statements of his opponent in the press. I would never accept help from people who humiliated me for years even for free. But it seems Anand is different.

Source:
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6369

[gerold]

I do not like to support rybka4 after Rybka supported topalov against anand.

Uri

You are kidding right! Last I heard Topalov paid for access to Rybka, it was not offered to him for free or was it? If it was then I would say they supported Topalov. Not that I see that as a reason not to buy Rybka 4. Now if you said it was because they never gave Rybka 3 customers Rybka 3+ as promised I could understand that.

PS: Did you see ...

Veselin Topalov: I do not think Anand should be very proud of this. Especially by the fact he accepted help from the first two. I have been among the chess elite for 15 years and perfectly remember how Kasparov treated Anand for years. And not long before the World Championship match in Bonn 2008, Anand had to stand the arrogant statements of his opponent in the press. I would never accept help from people who humiliated me for years even for free. But it seems Anand is different.

Source:
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6369

Very funny Ted.
Seems Topalov is a poor loser crying.
Maybe he is sore because Rybka 4 failed him. He should have
tried Fire 1.2. .
I like Anand/s reply back to him.

Best,
Gerold.

[AdminX]

I do not like to support rybka4 after Rybka supported topalov against anand.

Uri

You are kidding right! Last I heard Topalov paid for access to Rybka, it was not offered to him for free or was it? If it was then I would say they supported Topalov. Not that I see that as a reason not to buy Rybka 4. Now if you said it was because they never gave Rybka 3 customers Rybka 3+ as promised I could understand that.

PS: Did you see ...

Veselin Topalov: I do not think Anand should be very proud of this. Especially by the fact he accepted help from the first two. I have been among the chess elite for 15 years and perfectly remember how Kasparov treated Anand for years. And not long before the World Championship match in Bonn 2008, Anand had to stand the arrogant statements of his opponent in the press. I would never accept help from people who humiliated me for years even for free. But it seems Anand is different.

Source:
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6369

Very funny Ted.
Seems Topalov is a poor loser crying.
Maybe he is sore because Rybka 4 failed him. He should have
tried Fire 1.2. .
I like Anand/s reply back to him.

Best,
Gerold.

Hi Gerold,

Sounds like a very "Unhappy" Rybka 4 customer to me. He paid way more than most that's for sure!

[BubbaTough]

Sounds like a very "Unhappy" Rybka 4 customer to me. He paid way more than most that's for sure!

I did not get the impression that Topalov's openings let him down. In fact, pretty much all the games except the first (which was a victory for Topalov's preparation) came down to post-opening play. Why in the world are people phrasing this as Kasparov vs. Rybka 4?

-Sam

[AdminX]

Sounds like a very "Unhappy" Rybka 4 customer to me. He paid way more than most that's for sure!

I did not get the impression that Topalov's openings let him down. In fact, pretty much all the games except the first (which was a victory for Topalov's preparation) came down to post-opening play. Why in the world are people phrasing this as Kasparov vs. Rybka 4?

-Sam

I don't think of this as Kasparov vs Rybka 4, I think he may be upset that he paid for assistance where Anand received some (not all) assistance for free however. Example, Harvey donated his Computer with engines to Anand for free.

[playjunior]

Sounds like a very "Unhappy" Rybka 4 customer to me. He paid way more than most that's for sure!

I did not get the impression that Topalov's openings let him down. In fact, pretty much all the games except the first (which was a victory for Topalov's preparation) came down to post-opening play. Why in the world are people phrasing this as Kasparov vs. Rybka 4?

-Sam

I don't think of this as Kasparov vs Rybka 4, I think he may be upset that he paid for assistance where Anand received some (not all) assistance for free however. Example, Harvey donated his Computer with engines to Anand for free.

Topalov's remarks do not make sense. He brags that he was better out of the opening in almost all games, which makes his match loss even worse! He basically admits that Anand is so much better at OTB chess that he outplayed him consistently, but somehow this is not a problem for him. Really, I don't get it.

[Uri Blass]

I do not like to support rybka4 after Rybka supported topalov against anand.

Uri

You are kidding right! Last I heard Topalov paid for access to Rybka, it was not offered to him for free or was it? If it was then I would say they supported Topalov. Not that I see that as a reason not to buy Rybka 4. Now if you said it was because they never gave Rybka 3 customers Rybka 3+ as promised I could understand that.

PS: Did you see ...

Veselin Topalov: I do not think Anand should be very proud of this. Especially by the fact he accepted help from the first two. I have been among the chess elite for 15 years and perfectly remember how Kasparov treated Anand for years. And not long before the World Championship match in Bonn 2008, Anand had to stand the arrogant statements of his opponent in the press. I would never accept help from people who humiliated me for years even for free. But it seems Anand is different.

Source:
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6369

I know topalov paid for rybka's help and I think that the right reply for rybka could be:
"no (we do not want to help you)
We do not sell principles for money and we are not going to support you after the behavioue of danilov and it is not a question of money"

Uri

[kingliveson]

I do not like to support rybka4 after Rybka supported topalov against anand.

Uri

You are kidding right! Last I heard Topalov paid for access to Rybka, it was not offered to him for free or was it? If it was then I would say they supported Topalov. Not that I see that as a reason not to buy Rybka 4. Now if you said it was because they never gave Rybka 3 customers Rybka 3+ as promised I could understand that.

PS: Did you see ...

Veselin Topalov: I do not think Anand should be very proud of this. Especially by the fact he accepted help from the first two. I have been among the chess elite for 15 years and perfectly remember how Kasparov treated Anand for years. And not long before the World Championship match in Bonn 2008, Anand had to stand the arrogant statements of his opponent in the press. I would never accept help from people who humiliated me for years even for free. But it seems Anand is different.

Source:
http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6369

I know topalov paid for rybka's help and I think that the right reply for rybka could be:
"no (we do not want to help you)
We do not sell principles for money and we are not going to support you after the behavioue of danilov and it is not a question of money"

Uri

Uri, I couldn't disagree more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Vas allowing access to his software for a fee. Vas is a business man, and the WC had no rules that you couldn't use any tools available for preparation. It didn't help as the result showed, but that's another story...

[BubbaTough]

Uri, I couldn't disagree more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Vas allowing access to his software for a fee. Vas is a business man, and the WC had no rules that you couldn't use any tools available for preparation. It didn't help as the result showed, but that's another story...

Now that I think about it, in a way, Topalov is very lucky to be living in an age where chess software can help combat human preparation. In part, Anand got his wonderful team by being willing to share his preparation with a future competitor and his trainer, an option not available to the ... errr ... more combative personalities in the chess world. If you think about previous paranoid contenders, such as Fischer or Korchnoi, they were always facing large teams of grandmasters and could only counter it with extremely hard work. Now adays, even if you are unwilling or unable to share your thoughts / ideas / preparation with others in a team oriented way, you can at least secure significant hardware support. It would have been amazing to see what Fischer could have done if he had been born in the computer age.

-Sam

[AdminX]

Uri, I couldn't disagree more. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Vas allowing access to his software for a fee. Vas is a business man, and the WC had no rules that you couldn't use any tools available for preparation. It didn't help as the result showed, but that's another story...

Now that I think about it, in a way, Topalov is very lucky to be living in an age where chess software can help combat human preparation. In part, Anand got his wonderful team by being willing to share his preparation with a future competitor and his trainer, an option not available to the ... errr ... more combative personalities in the chess world. If you think about previous paranoid contenders, such as Fischer or Korchnoi, they were always facing large teams of grandmasters and could only counter it with extremely hard work. Now adays, even if you are unwilling or unable to share your thoughts / ideas / preparation with others in a team oriented way, you can at least secure significant hardware support. It would have been amazing to see what Fischer could have done if he had been born in the computer age.

-Sam

Yes, I agree. Times have changed in major ways.