Only 2 things to say:which came as the result of certain members haranguing ICD about real, suspected, and imagined clones.
1. Geezzz....
2. Dear "certain members", Go meditate on the message in Thomas Mayer's avatar.
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Only 2 things to say:which came as the result of certain members haranguing ICD about real, suspected, and imagined clones.
I am sure that Steven Schwartz would have stopped the noise for the illegal engines, Sam and Grah are two very thoughtful and mature persons, and I say this although they had differing opinions to my own. Their mastership could be described as follows, they have a somewhat consitant mindframe and dont change it every seasons, in other words it's impossible to corrupt them.bob wrote:Let Graham and Sam enjoy moderating each other when this finally falls apart....
Hi Eduard,Edward German wrote:Lieber Sam Hull!
Entschuldigen Sie mein schlechtes englisch. Darum poste ich meine message in deutsch (original) und schlecht übersetzt auf English.
Ich habe persönlich nichts gegen Sie, und auch nichts gegen Graham Banks.
Ich bin auch gerne bereit zu vergeben. Und wenn Missverständnisse dazu geführt haben, dann um so mehr will ich vergeben.
Das aber kann nicht die ganze Wahrheit gewesen sein.
Ich habe hier vor 4 Tagen ein Spiel von Rybka 4 gezeigt, wo R4 am Ende ein Matt in 2 Zügen nicht sieht!
Das Posting stand 3 Tage lang hier im Hauptforum, und dennoch hat niemand von den 960 Members mir eine Analyse von R4 gezeigt.
Das ist traurig meinen Sie nicht auch?
Dann ist Graham gekommen, und hat dann mein Posting nur wegen wenigen Zeilen einer Analyse der Engine Houdini, ins Forum "Engine Orgins" verschoben.
Ich war sehr überrascht, um ehrlich zu sein sogar, zunächst war ich sogar geschockt!
Dort dann, in dem geschlossenen Forum, musste ich auch noch warten bis irgendwann einer von 960 (!) CCC Members eine magere analyse von R4 mir gezeigt hat.
Ich persönlich finde das absolut nicht normal für ein Forum wie dieses mit 960 Members! Oder?
Ich bin sehr traurig,
Eduard
ENGLISH:
Dear Sam Hull!
Excuse my bad english. That is why I post my message in German (original) and poorly translated to English.
I personally have nothing against you, and nothing against Graham Banks.
I am also willing to forgive. And when misunderstandings have led to, then the more I want to forgive.
But this may not have been the whole truth.
I've shown here before four days a game by Rybka 4, and R4 at the end does not see a Mate in 2 moves!
The Posting stood for 3 days here in the main forum, and yet nobody of the 960 CCC Members showed me an analysis by R4. This is sad do not you too?
Then Graham has come, and then only because of my posting a few lines of an analysis of the engine Houdini, the forum "Engine Orgins" moved.
I was very surprised to be honest even, at first I was even shocked!
There, then, in the closed forum, I had to wait until some one of 960 (!) CCC Members let me show only a poor analysis by R4.
I personally find that absolutely not normal for a forum like this with 960 Members! Or?
I am very sad,
Eduard
Oh noooo, Rolf is back. Now CCC is really doomed...Rolf wrote:I am sure that Steven Schwartz would have stopped the noise for the illegal engines, Sam and Grah are two very thoughtful and mature persons...
Off Topic,Rolf wrote:I am sure that Steven Schwartz would have stopped the noise for the illegal engines, Sam and Grah are two very thoughtful and mature persons, and I say this although they had differing opinions to my own. Their mastership could be described as follows, they have a somewhat consitant mindframe and dont change it every seasons, in other words it's impossible to corrupt them.bob wrote:Let Graham and Sam enjoy moderating each other when this finally falls apart....
Although I admire the US practice of openess in science which led to the opensource model, I fear that even Americans didnt quite understand that this concept has limits. Look into the military for example. A community shouldnt follow nonsense that leads to suicide. Academics should understand that.
I had many months now trying to understand two questions. Why Bob supported the Ippo development? I didnt find a solution. When would Rybka 4 be a success: only with a plus Elo of 150? Here I found out that the question is already stupid. Because there is no absolute value of a software update in computerchess when the strength is mostly defined by hardware. A chess software for 36 € which leads all rankings and wins all tournaments is IMO better than open engines on lower ranks. For those in chess who must know what the God's moves are they must have the strongest Rybka 4 on clusters. Top GM and corr players. It's crazy that many interested wrongly assumed that the strength of a software could be seen as hardware-independant!
I wish that at least all the academics who have the better hardware in their brain will come back soon to the forum, that was also in that respect state of the art in computerchess. IMO the actual situation was initiated by outcasting the World Champ Vas Rajlich 5 years ago plus then the dirty campaign against Rybka. Let's come back to a new chapter with respect for ethical bases. The motto should be: No support for criminal attempts by invisible cowards!
P.S. It's self-understanding that I want to mention the sad event from Leiden when Larry Kaufman had to go to the clinic. Let us all wish him well, because beyond all the conflicts in the community we shouldnt forget that we are all only humans and no machines. Let's treat us mutually with care so that we can enjoy our hobby as older seniors as long as possible.
I wish you all the best and may sanity and creativity be with you.
Rolf
I can tell you that Larry is on the mend. He is actually playing Chess on his iPod and with a Novag machine someone gave him. Hopefully he will be well enough to fly home in a few days time.Rolf wrote: P.S. It's self-understanding that I want to mention the sad event from Leiden when Larry Kaufman had to go to the clinic. Let us all wish him well, because beyond all the conflicts in the community we shouldnt forget that we are all only humans and no machines. Let's treat us mutually with care so that we can enjoy our hobby as older seniors as long as possible.
I wish you all the best and may sanity and creativity be with you.
Rolf