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Robert Hyatt



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PostPost subject: Re: Let's get back to Reality in our scene    Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:49 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

Rolf wrote:
bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
Robert Flesher wrote:

Flawed logic, just because no action is taken against a crime / illegal action does not justifty its occurence. Absurd!

Rolf, Vas in his interview openly states that Fruit had NO influence on Rybka ?!! This has now been PROVEN to be false. Lies ! What does this say ? Try to look at the issue from a non biased point of view. You rant and talk about hate, how about you talk about the truth and the facts. Many just want the truth, but you seek to hide it with flavourful subjectivity.


If I ranted with the trivial hint on top number one question of court cases then what is it what you are doing if that is all irrelevant for sure so to speak? Look, I am a lay and I couldnt decide on the technical question. Bob answered me that he wouldnt sue anyone, Fabien doesnt sue, so, I conclude that this whole question is gone for good. I mean we are in 2010 and the beta R1 was in 2005. Did you ever answer why perhaps Fab didnt sue Vas? Have you at least one idea?

Therefore I meant let's get back to the reality without old hate campaigns. For the best of the hobby and its community. Dont lose yourself in negative thoughts.


For many of us, "the search for truth" has nothing to do with "hate". _Truth_ is what most are interested in. There may be some that hate Vas. There are some that hate me. There is someone that hates nearly everyone, if you look hard enough. So what. The truth is the issue. We know the truth about fruit/rybka, we know more about the Rybka/ip* issue.

You need to look up the word "consistency". On one hand you say that since Fabien did nothing about the Rybka/Fruit issue, all is ok, but then Vas has done nothing about the Rybka/IP* case, and yet things are _not_ ok.

You have to either pick a consistent position to argue from, or else stop making these posts that make you look like an idiot.


Err, but you are not an idiot if you choose inconsistent positions? How? -- We two at least know well why. You dont sue Vas because you cant prove against him. But folks, Bob does neither call the GPL offices and urge them to take Vas to task. Why? Because Bob knows that there wont be a case.


Let's stick to facts. +I+ don't sue Vas for several reasons:

(1) I have no standing to do so. I have not been "damaged" by him in any way, he did not steal my code, he has not cost me any money. Only Fabien or FSF could sue him and not have the case tossed out.

(2) I have nothing to gain and much to lose. It would take time. It would cost money. And with no potential damages to reclaim, what reason wouldl I have to jump into that quagmire.

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But if there wont be a case then everything against Vas (R1beta) is pure envy and hatred.


OK. And since there is not going to be a case against the IP* program and derivatives, then everything against those programs is also pure envy and hatred? Or is this another example of gross inconsistency in your argument?

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1) envy because certain famous experts have no idea how to improve their own prog so that it plays as well as Rybka; HINT nobody knows how Vas has done the miracle, also not Bob - talking about adopting the ideas andf then use them in the tech of the own prog - Vas is the only one who knows all the tricks! IMO


And that IMO is important. Because it is an opinion with no technical expertise to back it up. My opinion about brain surgery, or cancer treatment would be worth just as much as your opinion on this subject. Because I don't know anything about those topics. I _do_ know a lot about the topic of computer chess, however.

I've not looked at ip* and family to take any ideas, yet. I am still testing a list of ideas that I have on my to-do list. Ditto for Tracy.



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2) hate for different but failing reasons. Because Vas created his own forum after he was practically outsorted for allegedly dominating the CCC topics with his Rybka topics. Secondly because Vas did not accept a sort of sub role towards Bob. Thirdly for mere propaganda reasons. Theron: If I had no ethics like Vas I would also have a Tiger that were as strong as Rybka. That is character defamation of its finest but total nonsense because also CT has never shown proof against Vas. Since the case has a legal aspect suddenly these two grand experts presented Zach W. a total newbie, certainly someone with no financial background, so that a case against him wouldnt be worth while.


Random thoughts from a random mind? Why would he need to accept a "sub-role" regarding me? Hsu/Campbell didn't. Thompson didn't. Slate didn't. We are all still friends to date. Your psychological profiling skills simply suck. _badly_.

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My own position is pretty consistent because I agree with Vas that in case of Hippo anons it's not necessary to show one's evidence. As Vas wrote, in case someone would step forward, Vas would of course present his facts.

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Sorry for the brief delay, I had to pause and duck when a pig flew over my head...



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So, Bob, where is your problem? I can only repeat my call for all the opposing experts against Rybka, to tone down and looking forward into the future, there by doing the best for the community and computerchess as such.



The goal, the _only_ goal, is to shine a light so that the truth can be seen by all, eventually even by those that are blind, such as yourself.

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It's absolutely contra-productive that a World Champion is molested and chased while he is always demonstrating that he is stronger than everybody else. The publication through RE codes does no harm to Vas but it destroys the usual CC contenders. Vas will always show that he's better, but they might lose interest in the scene.


I was here 30+ years before Vas came along. Unless I die, I will be here long after Vas has moved on to other endeavors.

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It's telling for the bad ethical substance in CC that prior to Rybka nobody took the Champion prog and undertook it a RE and then published it in public - but now based on envy and hate certain older experts thought this were the best reaction also if it destroyed the usual CC comepetitions.

But Vas doesnt care. He goes for Clusters and online offers so that his genial codes are protected. But I digress. Wink


You _always_ digress, but that's a different problem..
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Let's get back to Reality in our scene Rolf Thu Jun 17, 2010 6:54 am
      Re: Let's get back to Reality in our scene Marek Soszynski Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:10 am
            Re: Let's get back to Reality in our scene Rolf Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:35 am
                  Re: The academics !?! Ruxy Sylwyka Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:18 am
                        Re: The academics !?! Rolf Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:26 am
                        Re: The academics !?! Dr.Wael Deeb Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:41 am
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      Re: Let's get back to Reality in our scene Marco Costalba Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:12 am
      Re: Let's get back to Reality in our scene Robert Flesher Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:17 am
            Re: Let's get back to Reality in our scene Rolf Thu Jun 17, 2010 11:37 am
                  Re: Let's get back to Reality in our scene Robert Hyatt Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:37 pm
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                              Re: Let's get back to Reality in our scene Robert Hyatt Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:49 pm
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