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[fern]

Which is the elo of the last version of winchess?
I have found some, but of previous versions.
Fern

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hi fern,
hard to tell exactly as I have only WinChess 2.00 from 1994....I am playing a match right now and here are two games played recently:

[Event "20G Match 01"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2010.06.21"]
[Round "?"]
[White "WinChess 2.00 1994"]
[Black "Dr.Deeb"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C39"]
[Annotator "Deep Fritz 12 (20m)"]
[PlyCount "54"]
[Source "Chess Informant"]

{C39: King's Gambit Accepted: 3 Nf3 g5 4 h4} 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4.
h4 g4 5. Ne5 Nf6 6. d4 d6 7. Nd3 Nxe4 8. Bxf4 Bg7 9. c3 O-O 10. Be2 Re8 11. Nd2
Qe7 (11... Bf5 12. Nxe4 Bxe4 13. O-O Qxh4 14. Bxg4 Nc6 15. Nf2 Bf5 16. Bxf5
Qxf4 17. Qd3 h5 18. Ne4 Qh6 19. Rf3 d5 20. Ng3 h4 21. Nf1 Ne7 22. Ne3 Rad8 23.
Raf1 c5 24. Ng4 Qh5 25. Ne5 Bxe5 26. dxe5 {
Gallagher,J (2510)-Arlandi,E (2435)/Forli 1992/TD/1/2-1/2 (39)}) (11... Nc6 12.
Nxe4 Rxe4 13. Bg5 f6 14. Nf2 Rxe2+ 15. Qxe2 fxg5 16. Qc4+ d5 17. Qe2 Qe7 18.
Qxe7 Nxe7 19. hxg5 Ng6 20. O-O-O Bf8 21. Nd3 Be7 22. Rhf1 Bxg5+ 23. Kc2 b6 24.
g3 Bd7 25. Rde1 c6 26. Ne5 {
Schwarzkopf,J (1714)-Atri Sangari,J (2077)/Hamburg 2007/EXT 2009/0-1 (38)}) 12.
Nxe4 Qxe4 13. Kf2 Nc6 $146 (13... c5 14. Re1 Qg6 15. Bg5 Qf5+ 16. Nf4 g3+ 17.
Kg1 Rxe2 18. Nxe2 Qf2+ 19. Kh1 Bg4 20. Qd3 Nc6 21. dxc5 h6 22. Bd2 dxc5 23.
Qxg3 Qxg3 24. Nxg3 Rd8 25. Bf4 h5 26. Ne4 b6 27. Bg5 Rd5 28. Nf6+ {
Gommers,R (2342)-Winants,L (2504)/Belgium 2003/EXT 2004/1/2-1/2 (44)}) 14. Re1
Qg6 15. Bg5 h6 16. Bf4 Ne7 17. Nb4 (17. Kg1 $142 $5 $19) 17... a5 18. Nd3 Nd5
19. Qb3 (19. Bf1 Rxe1 20. Qxe1 $19) 19... Nxf4 20. Nxf4 g3+ 21. Kg1 Qf6 22. Qa4
(22. Bf3 {does not win a prize} Rxe1+ 23. Rxe1 Qxf4 $19) 22... Re4 (22... Re3
$142 {seems even better} 23. Qb5 Qxf4 24. Rf1 Qxh4 25. Qh5 Qxh5 26. Bxh5 $19)
23. Bf3 (23. Bd3 {cannot change what is in store for ?} Rxf4 24. Qe8+ Bf8 $19)
23... Rxe1+ (23... Rxf4 $142 {nails it down} 24. Qe8+ Bf8 25. Re4 Rxf3 26. gxf3
$19) 24. Rxe1 Qxf4 25. Qe8+ Bf8 26. h5 (26. Qe4 {
a fruitless try to alter the course of the game} Qf6 27. Rf1 d5 28. Qxd5 Qxh4
$19) 26... c6 (26... Qh4 $142 {makes it even easier for Black} 27. Qa4 c6 28.
Re4 Qh2+ 29. Kf1 $19) 27. a3 (27. Qe4 {hardly improves anything} Qg5 $19) 27...
Qh4 (27... Qh4 28. Qe4 Qh2+ 29. Kf1 Bd7 $19) 0-1

[Event "20G Match 02"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2010.07.20"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Dr.Deeb"]
[Black "WinChess 2.00 1994"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C69"]
[Annotator "Deep Fritz 12 (20m)"]
[PlyCount "90"]
[Source "Chess Informant"]

{C69: Ruy Lopez: Exchange Variation with 5 0-0 f6} 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5
a6 4. Bxc6 dxc6 5. O-O f6 6. d4 Bg4 7. c3 Bd6 8. Be3 Ne7 (8... Qd7 9. h3 exd4
10. Bxd4 Be6 11. e5 fxe5 12. Nxe5 Bxe5 13. Qh5+ Qf7 14. Qxe5 Nf6 15. Re1 Kd7
16. Nd2 Rae8 17. Nf3 Qg6 18. Nh4 Qf7 19. Nf3 Qg6 {
1/2-1/2 Savon,V (2570)-Stein,L (2605)/Moscow 1971/MCL}) 9. dxe5 (9. h3 Be6 10.
dxe5 fxe5 11. Nbd2 Ng6 12. c4 Be7 13. Qc2 O-O 14. Qc3 Bf6 15. Rfd1 Qe7 16. Nf1
Rae8 17. Rd2 Bc8 18. Re1 h6 19. a3 Bh4 20. N1h2 Qf7 21. Nxh4 Nxh4 22. Bc5 Rd8
23. Bxf8 Qg6 {Beck,F (2292)-Scherer,H (2332)/Germany 2008/EXT 2009/1/2-1/2})
9... Bxe5 $146 {Black king safety dropped.} (9... fxe5 10. h3 (10. Nbd2 Qd7 11.
b4 Ng6 12. h3 Be6 13. Ng5 Bg8 14. Qe2 O-O-O 15. Rfd1 h6 16. Ngf3 Rf8 17. Nb3
Nf4 18. Bxf4 Rxf4 19. g3 Rxf3 20. Qxf3 Qxh3 21. Rxd6 Bxb3 22. Rg6 Be6 23. Rxg7
Rd8 24. Rd1 Rxd1+ {
Stankovic,M (2259)-Furhoff,J (2281)/Belgrade 2001/EXT 2002/1-0}) 10... Bh5 11.
c4 c5 12. b4 Nc6 (12... b6 13. bxc5 bxc5 14. Nbd2 O-O 15. Qa4 Qc8 16. Nh2 Qe6
17. Rab1 h6 18. f3 Rfd8 19. Rb2 Bf7 20. Ng4 Ng6 21. g3 h5 22. Nf2 Nf4 23. h4
Be8 24. Qa3 Bd7 25. Re1 Nh3+ 26. Nxh3 Qxh3 27. Nf1 {
Baklan,V (2618)-Kallio,H (2502)/Batumi 2002/CBM 090/1-0 (39)}) 13. bxc5 Be7 14.
Qd5 Bf7 15. Qxd8+ Rxd8 16. Nc3 Nd4 17. Nxe5 Nc2 18. Nxf7 Kxf7 19. Rab1 Nxe3 20.
fxe3+ Ke6 21. Rxb7 Bxc5 22. Rxc7 Bxe3+ 23. Kh1 Rc8 24. Nd5 {
Bogner,S (2321)-Michalczak,T (2386)/Boeblingen 2005/CBM 110 ext/1-0 (50)}) 10.
Nbd2 b5 11. Qe2 (11. Qc2 $5 $16) 11... O-O $14 12. h3 Bxf3 13. Nxf3 Qe8 14.
Nxe5 fxe5 15. Rfd1 Ng6 16. Qg4 Nf4 17. a4 Rf6 18. Qd7 Rf7 (18... Qg6 $5 19.
Bxf4 Rf7 $16) 19. Qxe8+ $18 Rxe8 20. axb5 axb5 21. Ra6 Rf6 22. Bxf4 (22. g3
$142 $5 Ng6 23. Bg5 $18) 22... exf4 $14 {A double rook endgame occured} 23. f3
{White has a new protected passed pawn: e4} Kf7 24. c4 bxc4 25. Ra7 Re7 26. Rd4
c3 27. bxc3 Rfe6 28. Ra1 c5 (28... Rd6 29. Rc4 $14) 29. Rd5 $16 Re5 30. Ra5
Rxd5 31. exd5 c4 32. Rc5 Rd7 33. Rxc4 Rxd5 34. Rxf4+ Kg6 (34... Ke7 35. Rc4 Kd6
36. Rg4 $16) 35. c4 (35. Rc4 $5 c5 36. Kf2 $16) 35... Rd1+ 36. Kf2 Rd2+ 37. Kg3
c5 38. Re4 Kf6 39. Rh4 {White threatens to win material: Rh4xh7} Kg6 40. Rf4
Rd7 41. h4 h6 (41... h5 42. Kh2 $14) 42. Kg4 (42. Rg4+ Kf5 $16) 42... h5+ $14
43. Kh3 Rd3 44. g4 hxg4+ 45. Kxg4 Rd2 1/2-1/2

[Aser Huerga]

Which is the elo of the last version of winchess?
I have found some, but of previous versions.
Fern

I read in a spanish forum that WinChess2000 would be around 100 ELO points above the WChess 1994 version, which I tested for CCRL (I noticed a mistake, I named it WChess 1.6 instead of WChess 1.06, it will be change in the next CCRL update) : http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/c ... WChess_1_6
2445 ELO points (but few games).

I think WinChess2000 only works under ChessGenius GUI/plataform.

On the other hand, SSDF has included WinChess2000 and WChess 1.06 in their list:
129 140 WChess2000 64MB P200 MMX 2362
169 WChess 1.06 Pentium 90 MHz 2235
(http://ssdf.bosjo.net/rlwww101.txt)

I hope it helps.

Regards.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Which is the elo of the last version of winchess?
I have found some, but of previous versions.
Fern

I read in a spanish forum that WinChess2000 would be around 100 ELO points above the WChess 1994 version, which I tested for CCRL (I noticed a mistake, I named it WChess 1.6 instead of WChess 1.06, it will be change in the next CCRL update) : http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/c ... WChess_1_6
2445 ELO points (but few games).

I think WinChess2000 only works under ChessGenius GUI/plataform.

On the other hand, SSDF has included WinChess2000 and WChess 1.06 in their list:
129 140 WChess2000 64MB P200 MMX 2362
169 WChess 1.06 Pentium 90 MHz 2235
(http://ssdf.bosjo.net/rlwww101.txt)

I hope it helps.

Regards.

Huh,thanks....so I beated a 2300 chess engine with black pieces in less than 30 moves
I must be a genius or the Elo is way overflawed....
Dr.D

[Aser Huerga]

Huh,thanks....so I beated a 2300 chess engine with black pieces in less than 30 moves
I must be a genius or the Elo is way overflawed....
Dr.D

Or even you must be a GM :

WChess received world-wide attention after it scored 5 out of 6 against some of the strongest American grandmasters in the Intel Harvard Cup Man v Machine tournament held in October 1994. The program consolidated its position as one of the top micro-computer chess programs by winning the 1994 Uniform Platform Computer Chess Tournament held in London.

http://old.csvn.nl/harvhist.html
(see 5th Harvard Cup)

WChess performance was around 2800 in 25 minutes games!!

Sure your experience in computer vs. human games makes a difference.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Huh,thanks....so I beated a 2300 chess engine with black pieces in less than 30 moves
I must be a genius or the Elo is way overflawed....
Dr.D

Or even you must be a GM :

WChess received world-wide attention after it scored 5 out of 6 against some of the strongest American grandmasters in the Intel Harvard Cup Man v Machine tournament held in October 1994. The program consolidated its position as one of the top micro-computer chess programs by winning the 1994 Uniform Platform Computer Chess Tournament held in London.

http://old.csvn.nl/harvhist.html
(see 5th Harvard Cup)

WChess performance was around 2800 in 25 minutes games!!

Sure your experience in computer vs. human games makes a difference.

I am astonished after reading this information

I played the 2 games under the impression that on nowadays hardware it will play around 1700-1800 at best....see the psychological foundation I was attached to made the difference beside my experience in computer vs. human games....now I will play without this psychological advantage and probably will get worse performance against this program....I'm talking seriously
Cheers,
Dr.D

[Aser Huerga]

Huh,thanks....so I beated a 2300 chess engine with black pieces in less than 30 moves
I must be a genius or the Elo is way overflawed....
Dr.D

Or even you must be a GM :

WChess received world-wide attention after it scored 5 out of 6 against some of the strongest American grandmasters in the Intel Harvard Cup Man v Machine tournament held in October 1994. The program consolidated its position as one of the top micro-computer chess programs by winning the 1994 Uniform Platform Computer Chess Tournament held in London.

http://old.csvn.nl/harvhist.html
(see 5th Harvard Cup)

WChess performance was around 2800 in 25 minutes games!!

Sure your experience in computer vs. human games makes a difference.

I am astonished after reading this information

I played the 2 games under the impression that on nowadays hardware it will play around 1700-1800 at best....see the psychological foundation I was attached to made the difference beside my experience in computer vs. human games....now I will play without this psychological advantage and probably will get worse performance against this program....I'm talking seriously
Cheers,
Dr.D

I'm begining to think that you are talking about "other" WinChess: http://winchess2.free.fr/english/

Fern ask for the famous David Kittinger best program: WinChess2000 aka MajesticChess aka PowerChess. A killer!!

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Huh,thanks....so I beated a 2300 chess engine with black pieces in less than 30 moves
I must be a genius or the Elo is way overflawed....
Dr.D

Or even you must be a GM :

WChess received world-wide attention after it scored 5 out of 6 against some of the strongest American grandmasters in the Intel Harvard Cup Man v Machine tournament held in October 1994. The program consolidated its position as one of the top micro-computer chess programs by winning the 1994 Uniform Platform Computer Chess Tournament held in London.

http://old.csvn.nl/harvhist.html
(see 5th Harvard Cup)

WChess performance was around 2800 in 25 minutes games!!

Sure your experience in computer vs. human games makes a difference.

I am astonished after reading this information

I played the 2 games under the impression that on nowadays hardware it will play around 1700-1800 at best....see the psychological foundation I was attached to made the difference beside my experience in computer vs. human games....now I will play without this psychological advantage and probably will get worse performance against this program....I'm talking seriously
Cheers,
Dr.D

I'm begining to think that you are talking about "other" WinChess: http://winchess2.free.fr/english/

Fern ask for the famous David Kittinger best program: WinChess2000 aka MajesticChess aka PowerChess. A killer!!

Yeap,this is the one....that clears thing up....I am not a GM

I am aware of MajesticChess aka PowerChess but I don't have it....
Dr.D

[fern]

ThaNKS very much
Fern

[fern]

Now I see you was talking of WChess by Kitinger. This winchess is another thing.

I personally believe it is around 1800-1900

Otherwise I could not get it in my scalp belt.

Fern