harware vs software advances

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rbarreira
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Re: harware vs software advances

Post by rbarreira »

Don wrote:
rbarreira wrote:
Don wrote:
uaf wrote:I'm pretty sure the Pentium 90 was the fastest processor at that time. Intel introduced the Pentium Pro family (to which the P200 belongs) in late 1995.
Yes, I'll assume that circa 1994 CG3 was running on the P90.

Any idea of the speed? I don't suppose anybody has a Pentium 90 laying around do they?

Don
This could be fun... I got REBEL 10 from this page and I'm now trying to get it to run in VMWare in order to compare with these benchmarks.
When did Rebel 10 come out?

I'm running CG3 in dosemu which is said to be native speed, but I'm going to check that out for sure.
1998 it seems. I only paid any attention to it because there's a Pentium 90 MHz benchmark for it.

VMWare is a pain in the ass to use with DOS, so I may try out Dosemu as well.
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Don
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Re: harware vs software advances

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rbarreira wrote:
Don wrote:
rbarreira wrote:
Don wrote:
uaf wrote:I'm pretty sure the Pentium 90 was the fastest processor at that time. Intel introduced the Pentium Pro family (to which the P200 belongs) in late 1995.
Yes, I'll assume that circa 1994 CG3 was running on the P90.

Any idea of the speed? I don't suppose anybody has a Pentium 90 laying around do they?

Don
This could be fun... I got REBEL 10 from this page and I'm now trying to get it to run in VMWare in order to compare with these benchmarks.
When did Rebel 10 come out?

I'm running CG3 in dosemu which is said to be native speed, but I'm going to check that out for sure.
1998 it seems. I only paid any attention to it because there's a Pentium 90 MHz benchmark for it.
Hey, if there is a P90 benchmark then I can run the same benchmark and get a hardware reference.

I'll look for it and the benchmark but do you remember where to find it?

Don
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Re: harware vs software advances

Post by rbarreira »

Don wrote:
rbarreira wrote:
Don wrote:
rbarreira wrote:
Don wrote:
uaf wrote:I'm pretty sure the Pentium 90 was the fastest processor at that time. Intel introduced the Pentium Pro family (to which the P200 belongs) in late 1995.
Yes, I'll assume that circa 1994 CG3 was running on the P90.

Any idea of the speed? I don't suppose anybody has a Pentium 90 laying around do they?

Don
This could be fun... I got REBEL 10 from this page and I'm now trying to get it to run in VMWare in order to compare with these benchmarks.
When did Rebel 10 come out?

I'm running CG3 in dosemu which is said to be native speed, but I'm going to check that out for sure.
1998 it seems. I only paid any attention to it because there's a Pentium 90 MHz benchmark for it.
Hey, if there is a P90 benchmark then I can run the same benchmark and get a hardware reference.

I'll look for it and the benchmark but do you remember where to find it?

Don
It's the second link in my post!
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Re: harware vs software advances

Post by Don »

rbarreira wrote:
Don wrote:
rbarreira wrote:
Don wrote:
rbarreira wrote:
Don wrote:
uaf wrote:I'm pretty sure the Pentium 90 was the fastest processor at that time. Intel introduced the Pentium Pro family (to which the P200 belongs) in late 1995.
Yes, I'll assume that circa 1994 CG3 was running on the P90.

Any idea of the speed? I don't suppose anybody has a Pentium 90 laying around do they?

Don
This could be fun... I got REBEL 10 from this page and I'm now trying to get it to run in VMWare in order to compare with these benchmarks.
When did Rebel 10 come out?

I'm running CG3 in dosemu which is said to be native speed, but I'm going to check that out for sure.
1998 it seems. I only paid any attention to it because there's a Pentium 90 MHz benchmark for it.
Hey, if there is a P90 benchmark then I can run the same benchmark and get a hardware reference.

I'll look for it and the benchmark but do you remember where to find it?

Don
It's the second link in my post!
I found the program, but there is not benchmark that I can see. Just a rating estimate. Also, this program only plays strong on Fridays. I can probably trick my computer into thinking it's friday for a benchmark but I still don't have a P90!
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Re: harware vs software advances

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Don wrote: I found the program, but there is not benchmark that I can see. Just a rating estimate. Also, this program only plays strong on Fridays. I can probably trick my computer into thinking it's friday for a benchmark but I still don't have a P90!
Did you open this link?

http://www.rebel.nl/bench.htm

The first benchmark result is for the Pentium 90: 1m20s, 5m11s, 8m7s.
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Re: harware vs software advances

Post by Antonio Torrecillas »

ok.

from the position
r2qkbnr/1ppb1ppp/p1np4/1B2p3/3PP3/2N2N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - 0 6

chess genius play Ab5xc6 after 2:44 with depth 7
line b5xc6 d7xc6 d4xe5 f7f5 c1g5 f8e7 g5e7

now modern programs.
let start with Komodo.
(Jim A. compile 32 bits)

commands
uci
position startpos
go movetime 60000
quit

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id name Komodo32 1.2 JA
id author Don Dailey, Larry Kaufman
option name Ponder type check default true
option name Hash type spin default 32 min 0 max 4096
option name OwnBook type check default false
option name MultiPV type spin default 1 min 1 max 99
option name Book File type string default komodo.bin
uciok
info depth 1
info depth 1 time 380 nodes 20 score cp 63 nps 52 pv e2e4 
info depth 2
info depth 2 time 770 nodes 160 score cp 9 nps 207 pv e2e4 e7e5 
info depth 3
info depth 3 time 1760 nodes 558 score cp 45 nps 317 pv e2e4 e7e5 d2d4 
info depth 4
info depth 4 time 4940 nodes 1943 score cp 12 nps 393 pv g1f3 e7e6 d2d4 b8c6 
info depth 5
info depth 5 time 7579 nodes 2865 score cp 33 nps 377 pv g1f3 d7d5 d2d3 b8c6 b1c3 
info depth 5 time 8899 nodes 3682 score cp 33 nps 413 pv g1f3 d7d5 d2d3 b8c6 b1c3 
info depth 6
info currmove g1f3 currmovenumber 1
info depth 6 time 11420 nodes 5131 score cp 9 nps 449 pv g1f3 d7d5 d2d4 g8f6 b1c3 b8c6 
info currmove e2e4 currmovenumber 2
info depth 6 time 21690 nodes 8865 score cp 14 nps 408 pv e2e4 d7d5 d1f3 g8f6 b1c3 d5e4 c3e4 
info currmove d2d4 currmovenumber 3
info currmove e2e3 currmovenumber 4
info currmove b1c3 currmovenumber 5
info currmove d2d3 currmovenumber 6
info currmove b1a3 currmovenumber 7
info currmove g1h3 currmovenumber 8
info currmove b2b4 currmovenumber 9
info currmove b2b3 currmovenumber 10
info currmove g2g3 currmovenumber 11
info currmove g2g4 currmovenumber 12
info currmove c2c4 currmovenumber 13
info currmove a2a4 currmovenumber 14
info currmove h2h4 currmovenumber 15
info currmove f2f4 currmovenumber 16
info currmove c2c3 currmovenumber 17
info currmove f2f3 currmovenumber 18
info currmove a2a3 currmovenumber 19
info currmove h2h3 currmovenumber 20
info depth 6 time 25649 nodes 10751 score cp 14 nps 419 pv e2e4 d7d5 d1f3 g8f6 b1c3 d5e4 c3e4 
info depth 7
info currmove e2e4 currmovenumber 1
info depth 7 time 52010 nodes 22528 score cp 17 nps 433 pv e2e4 d7d5 e4d5 d8d5 b1c3 d5e6 g1e2 g8f6 d2d3 
info currmove g1f3 currmovenumber 2
info currmove d2d4 currmovenumber 3
info currmove e2e3 currmovenumber 4
info currmove b1c3 currmovenumber 5
info currmove d2d3 currmovenumber 6
info currmove b1a3 currmovenumber 7
info currmove g1h3 currmovenumber 8
info currmove b2b4 currmovenumber 9
info currmove b2b3 currmovenumber 10
info currmove g2g3 currmovenumber 11
info currmove g2g4 currmovenumber 12
info currmove c2c4 currmovenumber 13
info currmove a2a4 currmovenumber 14
info currmove h2h4 currmovenumber 15
info currmove f2f4 currmovenumber 16
info currmove c2c3 currmovenumber 17
info currmove f2f3 currmovenumber 18
info currmove a2a3 currmovenumber 19
info currmove h2h3 currmovenumber 20
info depth 7 time 63550 nodes 28590 score cp 17 nps 449 pv e2e4 d7d5 e4d5 d8d5 b1c3 d5e6 g1e2 g8f6 d2d3 
bestmove e2e4 ponder d7d5
a lot of swap, do you have sttings for a more low memory friendly?.
(komodo loses on time :-))

Crafty:
new
level 60 60 0
go
end

results in:

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unable to open book file [./book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [./books.bin].

Initializing multiple threads.
System is SMP, not NUMA.

Crafty v23.3 JA (1 cpus)

White(1): White(1): 60 moves/3600 seconds primary time control
60 moves/3600 seconds secondary time control
White(1):               time surplus   0.00  time limit 1:00 (+0.00) (6:00)
              depth   time  score   variation (1)
               12     9.54  13/20*  1. c4      (21Knps)             
               12     9.60  14/20*  1. Nc3     (21Knps)             
               12     9.67  15/20*  1. d3      (21Knps)             
               12     9.71  16/20*  1. a3      (21Knps)             
               12     9.79  17/20*  1. Nh3     (21Knps)             
               12     9.84  18/20*  1. b4      (21Knps)             
               12     9.86  19/20*  1. c3      (21Knps)             
               12     9.88  20/20*  1. h3      (21Knps)             
               12->   9.95   0.13   1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e3 e6 4. Bd3
                                    Bd6 5. O-O O-O 6. Ng5 g6
               13     9.95   1/20*  1. Nf3     (21Knps)             
               13    14.55   0.13   1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 e6 4. Bb5
                                    Bb4 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 d5 7. Bd2 Bxc3
                                    8. Bxc3 dxe4 9. Bxc6 bxc6
               13    14.56   2/20*  1. d4      (21Knps)             
               13    16.53   2/20*  1. d4      (21Knps)             
               13    16.53   3/20*  1. e3      (21Knps)             
               13    24.63   0.20   1. e3 Nf6 2. Bd3 e5 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nh3
                                    Nc6 5. O-O Bxh3 6. gxh3 Bc5 7. Bf5
               13    24.64   4/20*  1. Na3     (23Knps)             
               13    25.29   5/20*  1. g4      (23Knps)             
               13    25.50   6/20*  1. f4      (22Knps)             
               13    25.54   7/20*  1. e4      (22Knps)             
               13    25.63   8/20*  1. h4      (22Knps)             
               13    25.67   9/20*  1. a4      (22Knps)             
               13    25.70  10/20*  1. g3      (22Knps)             
               13    25.73  11/20*  1. b3      (22Knps)             
               13    25.78  12/20*  1. Nc3     (22Knps)             
               13    25.83  13/20*  1. a3      (22Knps)             
               13    25.88  14/20*  1. h3      (22Knps)             
               13    25.91  15/20*  1. c4      (22Knps)             
               13    25.96  16/20*  1. Nh3     (22Knps)             
               13    25.98  17/20*  1. d3      (22Knps)             
               13    26.07  18/20*  1. f3      (22Knps)             
               13    26.08  19/20*  1. c3      (22Knps)             
               13    26.09  20/20*  1. b4      (22Knps)             
               13->  26.11   0.20   1. e3 Nf6 2. Bd3 e5 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nh3
                                    Nc6 5. O-O Bxh3 6. gxh3 Bc5 7. Bf5
               14    26.11   1/20*  1. e3      (22Knps)             
               14    37.05   0.05   1. e3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 e6 4. Bd3
                                    Bd6 5. O-O O-O 6. Nb5 Nb4 7. Nfd4 Nfd5
               14    37.06   1/20*  1. e3      (22Knps)             
               14    37.06   2/20*  1. Nf3     (23Knps)             
               14    44.53   0.12   1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 d5 4. Bd3
                                    dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nb4 6. Bb5+ c6 7. Nxf6+
                                    exf6 8. Bc4 Qe7+ 9. Kf1
               14    44.54   3/20*  1. d4      (23Knps)             
               14    46.80   3/20*  1. d4      (23Knps)             
               14    48.83   4/20*  1. Na3     (23Knps)             
               14    50.83   5/20*  1. g4      (23Knps)             
               14    51.93   6/20*  1. e4      (23Knps)             
               14    53.04   7/20*  1. d3      (23Knps)             
               14    53.55   8/20*  1. Nc3     (23Knps)             
               14    54.22   9/20*  1. b3      (23Knps)             
               14    54.44  10/20*  1. c4      (23Knps)             
               14    54.84  11/20*  1. f4      (23Knps)             
               14    55.16  12/20*  1. a3      (23Knps)             
               14    55.44  13/20*  1. a4      (23Knps)             
               14    55.74  14/20*  1. h4      (23Knps)             
               14    56.03  15/20*  1. Nh3     (23Knps)             
               14    56.34  16/20*  1. h3      (23Knps)             
               14    56.57  17/20*  1. g3      (23Knps)             
               14    56.90  18/20*  1. b4      (23Knps)             
               14    57.04  19/20*  1. f3      (23Knps)             
               14    57.10  20/20*  1. c3      (23Knps)             
               14->  57.13   0.12   1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 d5 4. Bd3
                                    dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nb4 6. Bb5+ c6 7. Nxf6+
                                    exf6 8. Bc4 Qe7+ 9. Kf1
               15    57.14   1/20*  1. Nf3     (23Knps)             
               15     1:01   1/20*  1. Nf3     (23Knps)             
              time=1:01  mat=0  n=1445421  fh=91%  nps=23K
              extensions=3K qchecks=17K reduced=211K pruned=192K
              predicted=0  evals=757K  50move=0  EGTBprobes=0  hits=0
              SMP->  splits=0  aborts=0  data=0/65536  elap=1:01
 White(1): Nf3
              time used:   1:01
Black(1): Nf6 [pondering]
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 59.97 (+0.00) (5:59)
              depth   time  score   variation (13)
               13     8.83   8/22?  2. Ng5     (24Knps)             
               13     8.90   9/22?  2. Nd4     (24Knps)             
               13     8.96  10/22?  2. a4      (24Knps)             
               13     9.08  11/22?  2. a3      (24Knps)             
               13     9.22  12/22?  2. h3      (24Knps)             
               13     9.40  13/22?  2. g3      (24Knps)             
               13    11.33  14/22?  2. b3      (24Knps)             
               13    11.60  15/22?  2. h4      (24Knps)             
               13    11.74  16/22?  2. c4      (24Knps)             
               13    11.84  17/22?  2. c3      (23Knps)             
               13    12.00  18/22?  2. b4      (23Knps)             
               13    12.10  19/22?  2. Nh4     (23Knps)             
               13    12.15  20/22?  2. Ng1     (23Knps)             
               13    12.17  21/22?  2. e4      (23Knps)             
               13    12.40  22/22?  2. g4      (23Knps)             
               13->  12.48   0.38   2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 e6 4. e5 Ng4 5. d4
                                    Be7 6. h3 Nh6 7. d5 exd5 8. Bxh6 <HT>
               14    12.48   1/22?  2. Nc3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    17.10   1/22?  2. Nc3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
Black&#40;1&#41;&#58; quit

I'm going to rest, more fun tomorrow.
bob
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Re: harware vs software advances

Post by bob »

Don wrote:
bob wrote:
rbarreira wrote:According to cpu-world the Pentium 200 only came out in June of 1996:

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium/I ... 02200.html
That was just a normal pentium, using the new manufacturing facility they had built. The P5/200 was way cheaper to build than the P6 architecture, and they were still addressing the el-cheapo end of the market as well as the server market where the P6/200 was king.
I read on the web somewhere that someone can do 1 million superpi digits in about 12 seconds. The same person said that the same calculation on a P90 Satellite pro 410cs takes 32 minutes. That is a speedup of only about 160.

As I said, different benchmarks produce different results. If you use a memory intensive application, and that one must be, the speed of memory has not improved drastically over the past 20 years, while cache and processors have speeded up greatly...

Usually on a laptop things are 20 or 30% slower for the laptop version of the same chip. For example my laptop core 2 duo is about 30% slower than my desktop core 2 duo (but the laptop is clocked slower and this is not the case for the p90 notebook. But there are still usually some bus issues and such than makes laptops a little bit slower.

Also, superpi is not chess so chess could be faster or slower. But it is some indication that the P90 is not 1000x slower. That's why I want to find out for sure with a real chess benchmark.
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Re: harware vs software advances

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Antonio Torrecillas wrote:ok.

from the position
r2qkbnr/1ppb1ppp/p1np4/1B2p3/3PP3/2N2N2/PPP2PPP/R1BQK2R w KQkq - 0 6

chess genius play Ab5xc6 after 2:44 with depth 7
line b5xc6 d7xc6 d4xe5 f7f5 c1g5 f8e7 g5e7

now modern programs.
let start with Komodo.
(Jim A. compile 32 bits)

commands
uci
position startpos
go movetime 60000
quit

Code: Select all

id name Komodo32 1.2 JA
id author Don Dailey, Larry Kaufman
option name Ponder type check default true
option name Hash type spin default 32 min 0 max 4096
option name OwnBook type check default false
option name MultiPV type spin default 1 min 1 max 99
option name Book File type string default komodo.bin
uciok
info depth 1
info depth 1 time 380 nodes 20 score cp 63 nps 52 pv e2e4 
info depth 2
info depth 2 time 770 nodes 160 score cp 9 nps 207 pv e2e4 e7e5 
info depth 3
info depth 3 time 1760 nodes 558 score cp 45 nps 317 pv e2e4 e7e5 d2d4 
info depth 4
info depth 4 time 4940 nodes 1943 score cp 12 nps 393 pv g1f3 e7e6 d2d4 b8c6 
info depth 5
info depth 5 time 7579 nodes 2865 score cp 33 nps 377 pv g1f3 d7d5 d2d3 b8c6 b1c3 
info depth 5 time 8899 nodes 3682 score cp 33 nps 413 pv g1f3 d7d5 d2d3 b8c6 b1c3 
info depth 6
info currmove g1f3 currmovenumber 1
info depth 6 time 11420 nodes 5131 score cp 9 nps 449 pv g1f3 d7d5 d2d4 g8f6 b1c3 b8c6 
info currmove e2e4 currmovenumber 2
info depth 6 time 21690 nodes 8865 score cp 14 nps 408 pv e2e4 d7d5 d1f3 g8f6 b1c3 d5e4 c3e4 
info currmove d2d4 currmovenumber 3
info currmove e2e3 currmovenumber 4
info currmove b1c3 currmovenumber 5
info currmove d2d3 currmovenumber 6
info currmove b1a3 currmovenumber 7
info currmove g1h3 currmovenumber 8
info currmove b2b4 currmovenumber 9
info currmove b2b3 currmovenumber 10
info currmove g2g3 currmovenumber 11
info currmove g2g4 currmovenumber 12
info currmove c2c4 currmovenumber 13
info currmove a2a4 currmovenumber 14
info currmove h2h4 currmovenumber 15
info currmove f2f4 currmovenumber 16
info currmove c2c3 currmovenumber 17
info currmove f2f3 currmovenumber 18
info currmove a2a3 currmovenumber 19
info currmove h2h3 currmovenumber 20
info depth 6 time 25649 nodes 10751 score cp 14 nps 419 pv e2e4 d7d5 d1f3 g8f6 b1c3 d5e4 c3e4 
info depth 7
info currmove e2e4 currmovenumber 1
info depth 7 time 52010 nodes 22528 score cp 17 nps 433 pv e2e4 d7d5 e4d5 d8d5 b1c3 d5e6 g1e2 g8f6 d2d3 
info currmove g1f3 currmovenumber 2
info currmove d2d4 currmovenumber 3
info currmove e2e3 currmovenumber 4
info currmove b1c3 currmovenumber 5
info currmove d2d3 currmovenumber 6
info currmove b1a3 currmovenumber 7
info currmove g1h3 currmovenumber 8
info currmove b2b4 currmovenumber 9
info currmove b2b3 currmovenumber 10
info currmove g2g3 currmovenumber 11
info currmove g2g4 currmovenumber 12
info currmove c2c4 currmovenumber 13
info currmove a2a4 currmovenumber 14
info currmove h2h4 currmovenumber 15
info currmove f2f4 currmovenumber 16
info currmove c2c3 currmovenumber 17
info currmove f2f3 currmovenumber 18
info currmove a2a3 currmovenumber 19
info currmove h2h3 currmovenumber 20
info depth 7 time 63550 nodes 28590 score cp 17 nps 449 pv e2e4 d7d5 e4d5 d8d5 b1c3 d5e6 g1e2 g8f6 d2d3 
bestmove e2e4 ponder d7d5
a lot of swap, do you have sttings for a more low memory friendly?.
(komodo loses on time :-))

Crafty:
new
level 60 60 0
go
end

results in:

Code: Select all

unable to open book file &#91;./book.bin&#93;.
book is disabled
unable to open book file &#91;./books.bin&#93;.

Initializing multiple threads.
System is SMP, not NUMA.

Crafty v23.3 JA &#40;1 cpus&#41;

White&#40;1&#41;&#58; White&#40;1&#41;&#58; 60 moves/3600 seconds primary time control
60 moves/3600 seconds secondary time control
White&#40;1&#41;&#58;               time surplus   0.00  time limit 1&#58;00 (+0.00&#41; &#40;6&#58;00&#41;
              depth   time  score   variation &#40;1&#41;
               12     9.54  13/20*  1. c4      &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               12     9.60  14/20*  1. Nc3     &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               12     9.67  15/20*  1. d3      &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               12     9.71  16/20*  1. a3      &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               12     9.79  17/20*  1. Nh3     &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               12     9.84  18/20*  1. b4      &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               12     9.86  19/20*  1. c3      &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               12     9.88  20/20*  1. h3      &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               12->   9.95   0.13   1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e3 e6 4. Bd3
                                    Bd6 5. O-O O-O 6. Ng5 g6
               13     9.95   1/20*  1. Nf3     &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               13    14.55   0.13   1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 e6 4. Bb5
                                    Bb4 5. O-O O-O 6. d3 d5 7. Bd2 Bxc3
                                    8. Bxc3 dxe4 9. Bxc6 bxc6
               13    14.56   2/20*  1. d4      &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               13    16.53   2/20*  1. d4      &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               13    16.53   3/20*  1. e3      &#40;21Knps&#41;             
               13    24.63   0.20   1. e3 Nf6 2. Bd3 e5 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nh3
                                    Nc6 5. O-O Bxh3 6. gxh3 Bc5 7. Bf5
               13    24.64   4/20*  1. Na3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               13    25.29   5/20*  1. g4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               13    25.50   6/20*  1. f4      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.54   7/20*  1. e4      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.63   8/20*  1. h4      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.67   9/20*  1. a4      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.70  10/20*  1. g3      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.73  11/20*  1. b3      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.78  12/20*  1. Nc3     &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.83  13/20*  1. a3      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.88  14/20*  1. h3      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.91  15/20*  1. c4      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.96  16/20*  1. Nh3     &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    25.98  17/20*  1. d3      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    26.07  18/20*  1. f3      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    26.08  19/20*  1. c3      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13    26.09  20/20*  1. b4      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               13->  26.11   0.20   1. e3 Nf6 2. Bd3 e5 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nh3
                                    Nc6 5. O-O Bxh3 6. gxh3 Bc5 7. Bf5
               14    26.11   1/20*  1. e3      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               14    37.05   0.05   1. e3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. Nf3 e6 4. Bd3
                                    Bd6 5. O-O O-O 6. Nb5 Nb4 7. Nfd4 Nfd5
               14    37.06   1/20*  1. e3      &#40;22Knps&#41;             
               14    37.06   2/20*  1. Nf3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    44.53   0.12   1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 d5 4. Bd3
                                    dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nb4 6. Bb5+ c6 7. Nxf6+
                                    exf6 8. Bc4 Qe7+ 9. Kf1
               14    44.54   3/20*  1. d4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    46.80   3/20*  1. d4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    48.83   4/20*  1. Na3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    50.83   5/20*  1. g4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    51.93   6/20*  1. e4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    53.04   7/20*  1. d3      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    53.55   8/20*  1. Nc3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    54.22   9/20*  1. b3      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    54.44  10/20*  1. c4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    54.84  11/20*  1. f4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    55.16  12/20*  1. a3      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    55.44  13/20*  1. a4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    55.74  14/20*  1. h4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    56.03  15/20*  1. Nh3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    56.34  16/20*  1. h3      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    56.57  17/20*  1. g3      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    56.90  18/20*  1. b4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    57.04  19/20*  1. f3      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    57.10  20/20*  1. c3      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14->  57.13   0.12   1. Nf3 Nf6 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 d5 4. Bd3
                                    dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nb4 6. Bb5+ c6 7. Nxf6+
                                    exf6 8. Bc4 Qe7+ 9. Kf1
               15    57.14   1/20*  1. Nf3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               15     1&#58;01   1/20*  1. Nf3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
              time=1&#58;01  mat=0  n=1445421  fh=91%  nps=23K
              extensions=3K qchecks=17K reduced=211K pruned=192K
              predicted=0  evals=757K  50move=0  EGTBprobes=0  hits=0
              SMP->  splits=0  aborts=0  data=0/65536  elap=1&#58;01
 White&#40;1&#41;&#58; Nf3
              time used&#58;   1&#58;01
Black&#40;1&#41;&#58; Nf6 &#91;pondering&#93;
              time surplus   0.00  time limit 59.97 (+0.00&#41; &#40;5&#58;59&#41;
              depth   time  score   variation &#40;13&#41;
               13     8.83   8/22?  2. Ng5     &#40;24Knps&#41;             
               13     8.90   9/22?  2. Nd4     &#40;24Knps&#41;             
               13     8.96  10/22?  2. a4      &#40;24Knps&#41;             
               13     9.08  11/22?  2. a3      &#40;24Knps&#41;             
               13     9.22  12/22?  2. h3      &#40;24Knps&#41;             
               13     9.40  13/22?  2. g3      &#40;24Knps&#41;             
               13    11.33  14/22?  2. b3      &#40;24Knps&#41;             
               13    11.60  15/22?  2. h4      &#40;24Knps&#41;             
               13    11.74  16/22?  2. c4      &#40;24Knps&#41;             
               13    11.84  17/22?  2. c3      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               13    12.00  18/22?  2. b4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               13    12.10  19/22?  2. Nh4     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               13    12.15  20/22?  2. Ng1     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               13    12.17  21/22?  2. e4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               13    12.40  22/22?  2. g4      &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               13->  12.48   0.38   2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 e6 4. e5 Ng4 5. d4
                                    Be7 6. h3 Nh6 7. d5 exd5 8. Bxh6 <HT>
               14    12.48   1/22?  2. Nc3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
               14    17.10   1/22?  2. Nc3     &#40;23Knps&#41;             
Black&#40;1&#41;&#58; quit

I'm going to rest, more fun tomorrow.
That does give a reference point. 22K. Vs 22M+ on my 3-year old 8-core box. Or about the same on a fast quad-core i7.
bob
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Re: harware vs software advances

Post by bob »

rbarreira wrote:
bob wrote:
Janzert wrote:Here's a timeline directly from Intel for the release dates of their processors

http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/quickrefyr.htm

btw, I have a 266mhz P2 that should be coming out of active use in the next few months I could probably dedicate to running games if wanted. Also I think I may have a pentium 90mhz sitting around that just might still boot up.

Janzert
Those are beyond screwed up. They have different release dates for the same processor. Search for "Pentium Pro". was it 1995 or 1997? Couldn't be both. I know we got our first one in 1996, here. Fairly early in the year but I am not sure exactly when, now. I used one in the 1996 WMCCC event for sure.
Probably a die shrink, the second one.
Why would they stick at 200mhz 2-3 years later???
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Re: harware vs software advances

Post by uaf »

Try also DOSBox. It's very good.