Is Chess A Sport?

[Arturo Ochoa]

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

The physical preparation to be prepared to resist 3 hours is not chess itself.

Apparently you are not aware of the physical preparedness required to play in tournaments. I used to loose 2-3kg's in 2-3 days of chess tournaments which consisted of playing chess almost 8 hours each day. I think chess is a bit like motorsports. People think that steering the wheel and changing gear cannot be physical until they hear that racing drivers are subject to g forces sometimes as high as 6g... So yes chess is a sport.

On the contrayy, I am awared.

What you say it is not part of chess itself.

You don't need to run during a chess game. Just to move your hands and your fingers.

Physical preparation is not chess. You can run, go the gym, walk, swim and they are not chess activities. They help to be in good shape for any activity.

I practice certain extreme sport and part of my preparation is a heavy GYM session. It doesn´t mean that GYM is part of that extreme sport.

Sorry, chess is just that, a game. A very good one.

That is because your definition of sport is muscles.

I'm guessing you don't agree that that game that is very popular in Canada, I keep forgetting its name, but resembles shuffleboard on ice with a bunch of maids sweeping the ice, is not a sport (even though it is a part of the Olympics).

You don't get it either. When I talk about muscles, I mean a physical activity. Look this:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

–noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

What you talk about is a sport called curling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling

Curling is a sport in which players slide stones across a sheet of ice towards a target area. It is related to bowls, boule and shuffleboard.

Chess is just that a game, a table game.

Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me.

Including muscle activity is very narrow requirement. Otherwise, shooting would not be a sport.

Obviously, you didn’t read the other posts where I linked the definition of sport.

What is needed is

1) a activity in which we use our body (brain is part of it) and it is improved in the process. The sport should make us better and more skillful.
2) Competition, this is the main component of a sport. No competition, no sport. Athlete means competitor in greek, not "physically fit person" as it is used today.
3) Victory should be based on skills, not random
4) There should be always be a chance to win or lose and the result should not be predetermined (Who is tallest is not a sport)
5) It should be organized, played by many with a federation and a defined set of rules, to preserve its integrity.
6) The sport itself should grow with its practice. e.g. We should improve, and also learn about the sport and pass it on.

1) Correction: pphysically skilful. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
2) Competition is part of a game. You can practice an sport without competition. So your definition is flaw. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
3) When a sport involve a game, yes, it can be a win, lost or draw. Sport don’t imply a game directly. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
4) The same premise -> Sport imply a physical activity not a mandatory competition.
5) False, you don’t have to practice a sport in a Federation base. You can play hockey with your friends…
6) Every activities in our life implies practice so you can improve not only just sports. I don’t get the relation. Anyway.

There are certain grey areas, and chess shines in all points except point one if you do not consider brain as part of your body and all the physiology that helps it (I physically trained 3 hours a day at least 3 months in advance for important tournaments).

Physical preparation is not chess itself. You can swim to get in good shape. The preparation is just related to the game: opening preparation, tactical stuff….

When you play Scrabble, you must also prepare….

Other sports are weak in this point too. Shooting, golf, curling, etc, but you should not forget that hand-eye coordination, pulse, precision etc. are certainly "body skills" that are good to have.

Other sports are VERY weak in key points like 2. For instance, figure skating, gymnastics, etc. The competition aspect is extremelly subjective. When you need judges to give a score the competition suffers (better to have goals, time, weight, checkmates, knock outs, hits, etc.) and it is a gimmick to hide its non competitve nature.

This is not related to the subject. Curling is a sport. Physical skills are required. While you can play chess assisted by other person.

If you make me choose which one is ¨more" sport, I would choose chess over figure skating.
Miguel

Chess is a board game, although it hurts your pride.

[Arturo Ochoa]

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

The physical preparation to be prepared to resist 3 hours is not chess itself.

Apparently you are not aware of the physical preparedness required to play in tournaments. I used to loose 2-3kg's in 2-3 days of chess tournaments which consisted of playing chess almost 8 hours each day. I think chess is a bit like motorsports. People think that steering the wheel and changing gear cannot be physical until they hear that racing drivers are subject to g forces sometimes as high as 6g... So yes chess is a sport.

On the contrayy, I am awared.

What you say it is not part of chess itself.

You don't need to run during a chess game. Just to move your hands and your fingers.

Physical preparation is not chess. You can run, go the gym, walk, swim and they are not chess activities. They help to be in good shape for any activity.

I practice certain extreme sport and part of my preparation is a heavy GYM session. It doesn´t mean that GYM is part of that extreme sport.

Sorry, chess is just that, a game. A very good one.

That is because your definition of sport is muscles.

I'm guessing you don't agree that that game that is very popular in Canada, I keep forgetting its name, but resembles shuffleboard on ice with a bunch of maids sweeping the ice, is not a sport (even though it is a part of the Olympics).

You don't get it either. When I talk about muscles, I mean a physical activity. Look this:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

–noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

What you talk about is a sport called curling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling

Curling is a sport in which players slide stones across a sheet of ice towards a target area. It is related to bowls, boule and shuffleboard.

Chess is just that a game, a table game.

Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me.

Including muscle activity is very narrow requirement. Otherwise, shooting would not be a sport. What is needed is

1) a activity in which we use our body (brain is part of it) and it is improved in the process. The sport should make us better and more skillful.
2) Competition, this is the main component of a sport. No competition, no sport. Athlete means competitor in greek, not "physically fit person" as it is used today.
3) Victory should be based on skills, not random
4) There should be always be a chance to win or lose and the result should not be predetermined (Who is tallest is not a sport)
5) It should be organized, played by many with a federation and a defined set of rules, to preserve its integrity.
6) The sport itself should grow with its practice. e.g. We should improve, and also learn about the sport and pass it on.

There are certain grey areas, and chess shines in all points except point one if you do not consider brain as part of your body and all the physiology that helps it (I physically trained 3 hours a day at least 3 months in advance for important tournaments).

Other sports are weak in this point too. Shooting, golf, curling, etc, but you should not forget that hand-eye coordination, pulse, precision etc. are certainly "body skills" that are good to have.

Other sports are VERY weak in key points like 2. For instance, figure skating, gymnastics, etc. The competition aspect is extremelly subjective. When you need judges to give a score the competition suffers (better to have goals, time, weight, checkmates, knock outs, hits, etc.) and it is a gimmick to hide its non competitve nature.

If you make me choose which one is ¨more" sport, I would choose chess over figure skating.
Miguel

Thank you for explaining my points better than myself. And thank you for giving us those wonderful tablebases. I am physically applauding you atm

Not at all, what he made is a long brain storming but he mixed many concepts. I just came from answer back.

Miguel post is interesting but not correct at all, sorry.

Have a nice day.

[Arturo Ochoa]

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

The physical preparation to be prepared to resist 3 hours is not chess itself.

Apparently you are not aware of the physical preparedness required to play in tournaments. I used to loose 2-3kg's in 2-3 days of chess tournaments which consisted of playing chess almost 8 hours each day. I think chess is a bit like motorsports. People think that steering the wheel and changing gear cannot be physical until they hear that racing drivers are subject to g forces sometimes as high as 6g... So yes chess is a sport.

On the contrayy, I am awared.

What you say it is not part of chess itself.

You don't need to run during a chess game. Just to move your hands and your fingers.

Physical preparation is not chess. You can run, go the gym, walk, swim and they are not chess activities. They help to be in good shape for any activity.

I practice certain extreme sport and part of my preparation is a heavy GYM session. It doesn´t mean that GYM is part of that extreme sport.

Sorry, chess is just that, a game. A very good one.

That is because your definition of sport is muscles.

I'm guessing you don't agree that that game that is very popular in Canada, I keep forgetting its name, but resembles shuffleboard on ice with a bunch of maids sweeping the ice, is not a sport (even though it is a part of the Olympics).

You don't get it either. When I talk about muscles, I mean a physical activity. Look this:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

–noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

What you talk about is a sport called curling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling

Curling is a sport in which players slide stones across a sheet of ice towards a target area. It is related to bowls, boule and shuffleboard.

Chess is just that a game, a table game.

Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me.

Including muscle activity is very narrow requirement. Otherwise, shooting would not be a sport. What is needed is

1) a activity in which we use our body (brain is part of it) and it is improved in the process. The sport should make us better and more skillful.
2) Competition, this is the main component of a sport. No competition, no sport. Athlete means competitor in greek, not "physically fit person" as it is used today.
3) Victory should be based on skills, not random
4) There should be always be a chance to win or lose and the result should not be predetermined (Who is tallest is not a sport)
5) It should be organized, played by many with a federation and a defined set of rules, to preserve its integrity.
6) The sport itself should grow with its practice. e.g. We should improve, and also learn about the sport and pass it on.

There are certain grey areas, and chess shines in all points except point one if you do not consider brain as part of your body and all the physiology that helps it (I physically trained 3 hours a day at least 3 months in advance for important tournaments).

Other sports are weak in this point too. Shooting, golf, curling, etc, but you should not forget that hand-eye coordination, pulse, precision etc. are certainly "body skills" that are good to have.

Other sports are VERY weak in key points like 2. For instance, figure skating, gymnastics, etc. The competition aspect is extremelly subjective. When you need judges to give a score the competition suffers (better to have goals, time, weight, checkmates, knock outs, hits, etc.) and it is a gimmick to hide its non competitve nature.

If you make me choose which one is ¨more" sport, I would choose chess over figure skating.
Miguel

I prefer chess, but the issue of needing judges may make the result more subjective, it does not make it less a sport, else most fighting sports that do not end in a decisive win (knockout or other) would fit into this category.

It is somehow different because the judges are there counting hits and evaluating "damage" more than evaluating "artitisc component" of the routine. I should have been more clear. The difference of what the judges do, emphasizes the nature of both type of sports. Box is certainly competitive wherease figure skating is artistic.

I was trying to stress that there are other actvities with "weak points".

Miguel

Miguel, don't mix concepts.

The subjet is the concept of sport already posted.

Figure skating is a sport.

Chess, not. Sorry.

[George Tsavdaris]

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

How do you define "physical activities"?

Because i remember reading an article on Kasparov-Karpov in their second match, where it stated that both players but especially Karpov were losing a considerable amount of weight after each game.

Also playing Chess requires a huge activity in the brain, very much above the basal metabolic rate and much more than just playing music or solving a puzzle etc (i remember some tests they did with Susan Polgar's brain if you are interested there are some interesting facts in her blog.).

So with that kind of massive work, the brain burns big doses of glucose and so it burns big amounts of calories.

Does the extensive working of the brain classifies as a physical activity?

[Taner Altinsoy]

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

How do you define "physical activities"?

Because i remember reading an article on Kasparov-Karpov in their second match, where it stated that both players but especially Karpov were losing a considerable amount of weight after each game.

Also playing Chess requires a huge activity in the brain, very much above the basal metabolic rate and much more than just playing music or solving a puzzle etc (i remember some tests they did with Susan Polgar's brain if you are interested there are some interesting facts in her blog.).

So with that kind of massive work, the brain burns big doses of glucose and so it burns big amounts of calories.

Does the extensive working of the brain classifies as a physical activity?

For me and many others yes but for Arturo Ochoa no. I can easily say that I felt physically and mentally more exhausted after a full day of playing chess in a tourney than a full day of rock climbing.

And yes I used to loose weight in tournaments as well. That might be only me but still it is valid at least for me.

Btw a question: If each chess piece weight 5kg would chess be considered as physical activity and thus sport? Is it so simple?

[michiguel]

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

The physical preparation to be prepared to resist 3 hours is not chess itself.

Apparently you are not aware of the physical preparedness required to play in tournaments. I used to loose 2-3kg's in 2-3 days of chess tournaments which consisted of playing chess almost 8 hours each day. I think chess is a bit like motorsports. People think that steering the wheel and changing gear cannot be physical until they hear that racing drivers are subject to g forces sometimes as high as 6g... So yes chess is a sport.

On the contrayy, I am awared.

What you say it is not part of chess itself.

You don't need to run during a chess game. Just to move your hands and your fingers.

Physical preparation is not chess. You can run, go the gym, walk, swim and they are not chess activities. They help to be in good shape for any activity.

I practice certain extreme sport and part of my preparation is a heavy GYM session. It doesn´t mean that GYM is part of that extreme sport.

Sorry, chess is just that, a game. A very good one.

That is because your definition of sport is muscles.

I'm guessing you don't agree that that game that is very popular in Canada, I keep forgetting its name, but resembles shuffleboard on ice with a bunch of maids sweeping the ice, is not a sport (even though it is a part of the Olympics).

You don't get it either. When I talk about muscles, I mean a physical activity. Look this:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

–noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

What you talk about is a sport called curling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling

Curling is a sport in which players slide stones across a sheet of ice towards a target area. It is related to bowls, boule and shuffleboard.

Chess is just that a game, a table game.

Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me.

Including muscle activity is very narrow requirement. Otherwise, shooting would not be a sport.

Obviously, you didn’t read the other posts where I linked the definition of sport.

What is needed is

1) a activity in which we use our body (brain is part of it) and it is improved in the process. The sport should make us better and more skillful.
2) Competition, this is the main component of a sport. No competition, no sport. Athlete means competitor in greek, not "physically fit person" as it is used today.
3) Victory should be based on skills, not random
4) There should be always be a chance to win or lose and the result should not be predetermined (Who is tallest is not a sport)
5) It should be organized, played by many with a federation and a defined set of rules, to preserve its integrity.
6) The sport itself should grow with its practice. e.g. We should improve, and also learn about the sport and pass it on.

1) Correction: pphysically skilful. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
2) Competition is part of a game. You can practice an sport without competition. So your definition is flaw. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
3) When a sport involve a game, yes, it can be a win, lost or draw. Sport don’t imply a game directly. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
4) The same premise -> Sport imply a physical activity not a mandatory competition.
5) False, you don’t have to practice a sport in a Federation base. You can play hockey with your friends…
6) Every activities in our life implies practice so you can improve not only just sports. I don’t get the relation. Anyway.

There are certain grey areas, and chess shines in all points except point one if you do not consider brain as part of your body and all the physiology that helps it (I physically trained 3 hours a day at least 3 months in advance for important tournaments).

Physical preparation is not chess itself. You can swim to get in good shape. The preparation is just related to the game: opening preparation, tactical stuff….

When you play Scrabble, you must also prepare….

Other sports are weak in this point too. Shooting, golf, curling, etc, but you should not forget that hand-eye coordination, pulse, precision etc. are certainly "body skills" that are good to have.

Other sports are VERY weak in key points like 2. For instance, figure skating, gymnastics, etc. The competition aspect is extremelly subjective. When you need judges to give a score the competition suffers (better to have goals, time, weight, checkmates, knock outs, hits, etc.) and it is a gimmick to hide its non competitve nature.

This is not related to the subject. Curling is a sport. Physical skills are required. While you can play chess assisted by other person.

If you make me choose which one is ¨more" sport, I would choose chess over figure skating.
Miguel

Chess is a board game, although it hurts your pride.

huh?
I read your posts, but you did not read mind. I started with
"Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me." What pride are you talking about?

I really do not care much about definitions from dictionaries. They are generally incomplete and there no such thing as a sport definition. It is like life, very difficult to define. You are going to find a definition of life in the dictionary but there is no real consensus about it. What we have is things that describe it and characterize it, but it is not possible to nail it.
Look at the description of sport in wikipedia. I requires two paragraphs, and chess is included as mind sports. Another opinion like yours, or mine. Because that is what it is, an opinion.

Miguel
PS: If we are picky, even if we follow the thin definition you presented, chess is a sport. The etimology of "athlete" is who he competes for a prize.
PS2: Chess in many countries is a sport and included in gov. sport secretaries or ministeries. For instance, in Argentina, chess awards are given together with other sports. Chess is in the sports section no matter what a dictionary would say.

[michiguel]

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

How do you define "physical activities"?

Because i remember reading an article on Kasparov-Karpov in their second match, where it stated that both players but especially Karpov were losing a considerable amount of weight after each game.

Also playing Chess requires a huge activity in the brain, very much above the basal metabolic rate and much more than just playing music or solving a puzzle etc (i remember some tests they did with Susan Polgar's brain if you are interested there are some interesting facts in her blog.).

So with that kind of massive work, the brain burns big doses of glucose and so it burns big amounts of calories.

Does the extensive working of the brain classifies as a physical activity?

For me and many others yes but for Arturo Ochoa no. I can easily say that I felt physically and mentally more exhausted after a full day of playing chess in a tourney than a full day of rock climbing.

And yes I used to loose weight in tournaments as well. That might be only me but still it is valid at least for me.

You are not alone. For instance, the first time I heard this as a kid was from IM S. Giardelli, who told me long time ago that he lost 5 Kg in the World Junior Championship (it was in the 70´s, the one Beliavsky won).

Miguel

Btw a question: If each chess piece weight 5kg would chess be considered as physical activity and thus sport? Is it so simple?

[Arturo Ochoa]

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

The physical preparation to be prepared to resist 3 hours is not chess itself.

Apparently you are not aware of the physical preparedness required to play in tournaments. I used to loose 2-3kg's in 2-3 days of chess tournaments which consisted of playing chess almost 8 hours each day. I think chess is a bit like motorsports. People think that steering the wheel and changing gear cannot be physical until they hear that racing drivers are subject to g forces sometimes as high as 6g... So yes chess is a sport.

On the contrayy, I am awared.

What you say it is not part of chess itself.

You don't need to run during a chess game. Just to move your hands and your fingers.

Physical preparation is not chess. You can run, go the gym, walk, swim and they are not chess activities. They help to be in good shape for any activity.

I practice certain extreme sport and part of my preparation is a heavy GYM session. It doesn´t mean that GYM is part of that extreme sport.

Sorry, chess is just that, a game. A very good one.

That is because your definition of sport is muscles.

I'm guessing you don't agree that that game that is very popular in Canada, I keep forgetting its name, but resembles shuffleboard on ice with a bunch of maids sweeping the ice, is not a sport (even though it is a part of the Olympics).

You don't get it either. When I talk about muscles, I mean a physical activity. Look this:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

–noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

What you talk about is a sport called curling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling

Curling is a sport in which players slide stones across a sheet of ice towards a target area. It is related to bowls, boule and shuffleboard.

Chess is just that a game, a table game.

Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me.

Including muscle activity is very narrow requirement. Otherwise, shooting would not be a sport.

Obviously, you didn’t read the other posts where I linked the definition of sport.

What is needed is

1) a activity in which we use our body (brain is part of it) and it is improved in the process. The sport should make us better and more skillful.
2) Competition, this is the main component of a sport. No competition, no sport. Athlete means competitor in greek, not "physically fit person" as it is used today.
3) Victory should be based on skills, not random
4) There should be always be a chance to win or lose and the result should not be predetermined (Who is tallest is not a sport)
5) It should be organized, played by many with a federation and a defined set of rules, to preserve its integrity.
6) The sport itself should grow with its practice. e.g. We should improve, and also learn about the sport and pass it on.

1) Correction: pphysically skilful. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
2) Competition is part of a game. You can practice an sport without competition. So your definition is flaw. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
3) When a sport involve a game, yes, it can be a win, lost or draw. Sport don’t imply a game directly. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
4) The same premise -> Sport imply a physical activity not a mandatory competition.
5) False, you don’t have to practice a sport in a Federation base. You can play hockey with your friends…
6) Every activities in our life implies practice so you can improve not only just sports. I don’t get the relation. Anyway.

There are certain grey areas, and chess shines in all points except point one if you do not consider brain as part of your body and all the physiology that helps it (I physically trained 3 hours a day at least 3 months in advance for important tournaments).

Physical preparation is not chess itself. You can swim to get in good shape. The preparation is just related to the game: opening preparation, tactical stuff….

When you play Scrabble, you must also prepare….

Other sports are weak in this point too. Shooting, golf, curling, etc, but you should not forget that hand-eye coordination, pulse, precision etc. are certainly "body skills" that are good to have.

Other sports are VERY weak in key points like 2. For instance, figure skating, gymnastics, etc. The competition aspect is extremelly subjective. When you need judges to give a score the competition suffers (better to have goals, time, weight, checkmates, knock outs, hits, etc.) and it is a gimmick to hide its non competitve nature.

This is not related to the subject. Curling is a sport. Physical skills are required. While you can play chess assisted by other person.

If you make me choose which one is ¨more" sport, I would choose chess over figure skating.
Miguel

Chess is a board game, although it hurts your pride.

huh?
I read your posts, but you did not read mind. I started with
"Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me." What pride are you talking about?

Let me know how chess helps you keep heallty as a physical activity. Blinded people can play chess assisted by other person. The effort is not physical. You don’t need physical skills to play chess.

I really do not care much about definitions from dictionaries. They are generally incomplete and there no such thing as a sport definition. It is like life, very difficult to define. You are going to find a definition of life in the dictionary but there is no real consensus about it. What we have is things that describe it and characterize it, but it is not possible to nail it.
Look at the description of sport in wikipedia. I requires two paragraphs, and chess is included as mind sports. Another opinion like yours, or mine. Because that is what it is, an opinion.

This is just now hilarious and funny. Sitting down in a table is a sport. Ok, domino, poker, scrabble, checkers, parchis must be considered sports.

Miguel
PS: If we are picky, even if we follow the thin definition you presented, chess is a sport. The etimology of "athlete" is who he competes for a prize.
PS2: Chess in many countries is a sport and included in gov. sport secretaries or ministeries. For instance, in Argentina, chess awards are given together with other sports. Chess is in the sports section no matter what a dictionary would say.

I don’t know how you arrived to that conclusion based on my definition.

In some countries, dominos are popular, have federations, are supported by the government; so also, a sport according to you.

Funny. Go ahead.

[Arturo Ochoa]

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

The physical preparation to be prepared to resist 3 hours is not chess itself.

Apparently you are not aware of the physical preparedness required to play in tournaments. I used to loose 2-3kg's in 2-3 days of chess tournaments which consisted of playing chess almost 8 hours each day. I think chess is a bit like motorsports. People think that steering the wheel and changing gear cannot be physical until they hear that racing drivers are subject to g forces sometimes as high as 6g... So yes chess is a sport.

On the contrayy, I am awared.

What you say it is not part of chess itself.

You don't need to run during a chess game. Just to move your hands and your fingers.

Physical preparation is not chess. You can run, go the gym, walk, swim and they are not chess activities. They help to be in good shape for any activity.

I practice certain extreme sport and part of my preparation is a heavy GYM session. It doesn´t mean that GYM is part of that extreme sport.

Sorry, chess is just that, a game. A very good one.

That is because your definition of sport is muscles.

I'm guessing you don't agree that that game that is very popular in Canada, I keep forgetting its name, but resembles shuffleboard on ice with a bunch of maids sweeping the ice, is not a sport (even though it is a part of the Olympics).

You don't get it either. When I talk about muscles, I mean a physical activity. Look this:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

–noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

What you talk about is a sport called curling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling

Curling is a sport in which players slide stones across a sheet of ice towards a target area. It is related to bowls, boule and shuffleboard.

Chess is just that a game, a table game.

Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me.

Including muscle activity is very narrow requirement. Otherwise, shooting would not be a sport.

Obviously, you didn’t read the other posts where I linked the definition of sport.

What is needed is

1) a activity in which we use our body (brain is part of it) and it is improved in the process. The sport should make us better and more skillful.
2) Competition, this is the main component of a sport. No competition, no sport. Athlete means competitor in greek, not "physically fit person" as it is used today.
3) Victory should be based on skills, not random
4) There should be always be a chance to win or lose and the result should not be predetermined (Who is tallest is not a sport)
5) It should be organized, played by many with a federation and a defined set of rules, to preserve its integrity.
6) The sport itself should grow with its practice. e.g. We should improve, and also learn about the sport and pass it on.

1) Correction: pphysically skilful. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
2) Competition is part of a game. You can practice an sport without competition. So your definition is flaw. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
3) When a sport involve a game, yes, it can be a win, lost or draw. Sport don’t imply a game directly. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
4) The same premise -> Sport imply a physical activity not a mandatory competition.
5) False, you don’t have to practice a sport in a Federation base. You can play hockey with your friends…
6) Every activities in our life implies practice so you can improve not only just sports. I don’t get the relation. Anyway.

There are certain grey areas, and chess shines in all points except point one if you do not consider brain as part of your body and all the physiology that helps it (I physically trained 3 hours a day at least 3 months in advance for important tournaments).

Physical preparation is not chess itself. You can swim to get in good shape. The preparation is just related to the game: opening preparation, tactical stuff….

When you play Scrabble, you must also prepare….

Other sports are weak in this point too. Shooting, golf, curling, etc, but you should not forget that hand-eye coordination, pulse, precision etc. are certainly "body skills" that are good to have.

Other sports are VERY weak in key points like 2. For instance, figure skating, gymnastics, etc. The competition aspect is extremelly subjective. When you need judges to give a score the competition suffers (better to have goals, time, weight, checkmates, knock outs, hits, etc.) and it is a gimmick to hide its non competitve nature.

This is not related to the subject. Curling is a sport. Physical skills are required. While you can play chess assisted by other person.

If you make me choose which one is ¨more" sport, I would choose chess over figure skating.
Miguel

Chess is a board game, although it hurts your pride.

huh?
I read your posts, but you did not read mind. I started with
"Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me." What pride are you talking about?

Let me know how chess helps you keep heallty as a physical activity. Blinded people can play chess assisted by other person. The effort is not physical. You don’t need physical skills to play chess.

I really do not care much about definitions from dictionaries. They are generally incomplete and there no such thing as a sport definition. It is like life, very difficult to define. You are going to find a definition of life in the dictionary but there is no real consensus about it. What we have is things that describe it and characterize it, but it is not possible to nail it.
Look at the description of sport in wikipedia. I requires two paragraphs, and chess is included as mind sports. Another opinion like yours, or mine. Because that is what it is, an opinion.

This is just now hilarious and funny. Sitting down in a table is a sport. Ok, domino, poker, scrabble, checkers, parchis must be considered sports.

Miguel
PS: If we are picky, even if we follow the thin definition you presented, chess is a sport. The etimology of "athlete" is who he competes for a prize.
PS2: Chess in many countries is a sport and included in gov. sport secretaries or ministeries. For instance, in Argentina, chess awards are given together with other sports. Chess is in the sports section no matter what a dictionary would say.

I don’t know how you arrived to that conclusion based on my definition.

In some countries, dominos are popular, have federations, are supported by the government; so also, a sport according to you.

Funny. Go ahead.

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Chess is just that, a game, but a very good one.

Sports imply physical activities. I don’t know how physical activities can happen during a chess game.

The physical preparation to be prepared to resist 3 hours is not chess itself.

Apparently you are not aware of the physical preparedness required to play in tournaments. I used to loose 2-3kg's in 2-3 days of chess tournaments which consisted of playing chess almost 8 hours each day. I think chess is a bit like motorsports. People think that steering the wheel and changing gear cannot be physical until they hear that racing drivers are subject to g forces sometimes as high as 6g... So yes chess is a sport.

On the contrayy, I am awared.

What you say it is not part of chess itself.

You don't need to run during a chess game. Just to move your hands and your fingers.

Physical preparation is not chess. You can run, go the gym, walk, swim and they are not chess activities. They help to be in good shape for any activity.

I practice certain extreme sport and part of my preparation is a heavy GYM session. It doesn´t mean that GYM is part of that extreme sport.

Sorry, chess is just that, a game. A very good one.

That is because your definition of sport is muscles.

I'm guessing you don't agree that that game that is very popular in Canada, I keep forgetting its name, but resembles shuffleboard on ice with a bunch of maids sweeping the ice, is not a sport (even though it is a part of the Olympics).

You don't get it either. When I talk about muscles, I mean a physical activity. Look this:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sport

–noun
1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.
2. a particular form of this, esp. in the out of doors.
3. diversion; recreation; pleasant pastime.

What you talk about is a sport called curling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curling

Curling is a sport in which players slide stones across a sheet of ice towards a target area. It is related to bowls, boule and shuffleboard.

Chess is just that a game, a table game.

Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me.

Including muscle activity is very narrow requirement. Otherwise, shooting would not be a sport.

Obviously, you didn’t read the other posts where I linked the definition of sport.

What is needed is

1) a activity in which we use our body (brain is part of it) and it is improved in the process. The sport should make us better and more skillful.
2) Competition, this is the main component of a sport. No competition, no sport. Athlete means competitor in greek, not "physically fit person" as it is used today.
3) Victory should be based on skills, not random
4) There should be always be a chance to win or lose and the result should not be predetermined (Who is tallest is not a sport)
5) It should be organized, played by many with a federation and a defined set of rules, to preserve its integrity.
6) The sport itself should grow with its practice. e.g. We should improve, and also learn about the sport and pass it on.

1) Correction: pphysically skilful. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
2) Competition is part of a game. You can practice an sport without competition. So your definition is flaw. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
3) When a sport involve a game, yes, it can be a win, lost or draw. Sport don’t imply a game directly. Go to my other post about the sports definition.
4) The same premise -> Sport imply a physical activity not a mandatory competition.
5) False, you don’t have to practice a sport in a Federation base. You can play hockey with your friends…
6) Every activities in our life implies practice so you can improve not only just sports. I don’t get the relation. Anyway.

There are certain grey areas, and chess shines in all points except point one if you do not consider brain as part of your body and all the physiology that helps it (I physically trained 3 hours a day at least 3 months in advance for important tournaments).

Physical preparation is not chess itself. You can swim to get in good shape. The preparation is just related to the game: opening preparation, tactical stuff….

When you play Scrabble, you must also prepare….

Other sports are weak in this point too. Shooting, golf, curling, etc, but you should not forget that hand-eye coordination, pulse, precision etc. are certainly "body skills" that are good to have.

Other sports are VERY weak in key points like 2. For instance, figure skating, gymnastics, etc. The competition aspect is extremelly subjective. When you need judges to give a score the competition suffers (better to have goals, time, weight, checkmates, knock outs, hits, etc.) and it is a gimmick to hide its non competitve nature.

This is not related to the subject. Curling is a sport. Physical skills are required. While you can play chess assisted by other person.

If you make me choose which one is ¨more" sport, I would choose chess over figure skating.
Miguel

Chess is a board game, although it hurts your pride.

huh?
I read your posts, but you did not read mind. I started with
"Personally, I do not care, but If I am pressed to define it, chess is a sport without a doubt for me." What pride are you talking about?

Let me know how chess helps you keep heallty as a physical activity. Blinded people can play chess assisted by other person. The effort is not physical. You don’t need physical skills to play chess.

I really do not care much about definitions from dictionaries. They are generally incomplete and there no such thing as a sport definition. It is like life, very difficult to define. You are going to find a definition of life in the dictionary but there is no real consensus about it. What we have is things that describe it and characterize it, but it is not possible to nail it.
Look at the description of sport in wikipedia. I requires two paragraphs, and chess is included as mind sports. Another opinion like yours, or mine. Because that is what it is, an opinion.

This is just now hilarious and funny. Sitting down in a table is a sport. Ok, domino, poker, scrabble, checkers, parchis must be considered sports.

Miguel
PS: If we are picky, even if we follow the thin definition you presented, chess is a sport. The etimology of "athlete" is who he competes for a prize.
PS2: Chess in many countries is a sport and included in gov. sport secretaries or ministeries. For instance, in Argentina, chess awards are given together with other sports. Chess is in the sports section no matter what a dictionary would say.

I don’t know how you arrived to that conclusion based on my definition.

In some countries, dominos are popular, have federations, are supported by the government; so also, a sport according to you.

Funny. Go ahead.