Sven Schüle wrote:diep wrote:It took until 2007 the release of the strelka code, for me to realize, that the whole project was one giant NSA project about automatic tuning.
At least $100 milllion must have been put into it.
As for the software engineering, they just grabbed the above remarks i made. It's possibe just 1 programmer carried out the project and then they found someone from the see ya dudes with a chess title to walk around abroad.
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Rybka is a classical form of NSA software engineering: do the minimum to get strong, and a maximum of usage of hardware at an unknown NSA location somewhere in the USA.
Your words are suggesting that you know exactly what happened. But I wonder whether you are presenting facts or a theory.
Would you mind telling more about your source of information?
Sven
I'm only posting information that was said by a bunch of programmers and i'm not even presenting most facts. Some of those programmers have been shut up by their governments now and no longer say a word on this, whereas they showed up with all kinds of information and evidence.
If you scroll back past few years in CCC, sometimes you will see also programmers post on this, yet in not such clear wordings.
It all obviously means that majority of the, especially European programmers, had zero clues on what was happening initially.
Please realize many programmers can read assembler very well.
What changed all that was the Russians.
here is my interpretation of what happened. Some Russian guys see Rybka, reverse engineer it with a tool (in fact you can commercially buy them if you have enough cash). They check out the code and are amazed by what they see.
What they see is something completely automatic tuned and to their calculations only top secret software can do this. It is of course very weird to see top secret softwares output in a public, in fact software that either is open source, freely available, or buyable on the internet.
So they throw it on the net under the name 'strelka'.
Realize this happens years after the funding happened.
When it is on the net, suddenly dozens of chessprogrammers, most of which didn't do effort to look too much into rybka yet, they can easily read this code as well.
When this happens a lot of chessprogrammers go start talk to me and what i presented above is just a very small bit of information. There is even more detailed opinions.
When all this occurs in 2007, China reports itself.
One by one then the authors get shut up by government in the years 2007-2008+.
Usually this happens when one of them gets hired to do a job.
Let me quote 1 programmer who said it loud and clear at an early stage, he later also got shut up.
"No i don't make a focking penny with computerchess directly, it's thrown away effort, but i have a chessprogram because of all the other sort of jobs i get hired for BECAUSE i have that strong chessprogram, the sneaky earnings outweigh any other income i have, so you bet i'll do effort to have a chessprogram".
Is that a very clear statement?
He was paid by a 'company' in Tel Aviv.
There is more recent statements there. It is always the same pattern. They see something, talk this around in a very careful manner, then suddenly they make cash with it and get shut up.
I'm not going to quote names, as then a cover up will occur, by that person himself, forced by his own government, provided that government is within NATO.
I'll give you another statement of someone. Again from a different nation, also within NATO.
"It is one big global conspiracy what happens right now in computerchess, it is all related to each other".
Some months later suddenly the same person gets shut up and has sincethen not said a word on this anymore and even claims that: "there is nothing wrong, nothing happened".
Here another quote from another person when he spoke to me, in this case also a programmer of a chess engine who is around already for a long time in computerchess, what he said about it was in a mystical way.
"Heh, you are very clever... ...they wanted to look like you"
He said this in another few wordings in later chats. In what i wrote i wrote down about mediocre guys, are also from this author, but i also tend to believe it plays a big role, which is why i wrote it down.
The easiest statements you get is always from people with a DIFFERENT nationality than you, living somewhere far away. I hope you realize that.
It's not a good idea to fish at university type guys, as they know nothing about all this. In terms of parameter tuning they live somewhere in the previous century, just pick a date there. 70s?
About the conspiracies happening, i think all together it's more than a couple of dozens of guys doing statements. You'll realize that historically seen i spoke with quite some guys.
Vincent
