Vas did not say what you are claiming. And the ICGA has never operated in the mode you are claiming (if a protest can't be resolved in 5-10 minutes, it is tossed out.) Some have been obvious. Some took a day or two (I don't remember the program, maybe Lion or something, where the author did not submit source in a timely manner and the program was ejected). My protest (by Berliner) took 6 months to handle. Just like this one, from the day the protest was made until a decision was reached. So this 5-10 minute thing is a complete crock.Rolf wrote:Don, you are wrong IMO. I wished Vas were here to talk to you.I'm not his representative although I've once made the remark in jest. Because I thought that everybody knew the realm of my expertise in CC programming.
Just in his latest interview Vas made a couple of interesting comments or statements. I'm not against rules nor Vas is it. But he said this. What concerns originality they had two lines. The one went all are accepted except in 5 to 10 minutes it is clear that there is a hoax. Which buries you example with the strawman who copied Stockfish and then won the title. There is a way to find this in minutes. For all with a complete unknown person. But the other line ist better. The ICGA has no clear definition of originality at all! So that they certainly cannot take away something because on what grounds.
He did sell code that was not his and made money from that. Same thing.
More good news for you. Vas didnt get any price money at all for his titles. So, how could he spread somne towards Bob or who else?
The ICGA can't wait for a court case. They have no standing to bring a copyright or GPL infringement, only Fabien/FSF can do that. And they might. Or might not. So the ICGA has to wait? That's nonsense. Was there a court case when Ben Johnson was DQ'ed from the olympics, after the fact? This kind of thing happens _all_ the time. Saw a PGA DQ last year where (I believe) a player simply forgot to sign his score card. He was booted from the tournament, and accepted it with an apology for being forgetful.
Don, you know me a bit from my messages and you might have noticed that I'm an observer, not an expert in CC. I am a player against the machines like Fern a bit. But I dont understand the intestines of a program. I never claimed expertise. But as an average academic I am trying to have an interdisciplinary look on everything that happens here. I'm still no Chomsky but I'm enough educated to be a better observer than the average operator like Harvey just to give you an example.
That having said, I am not against a side or for another one. I am trying to support fair justice and a debate without wordplays. That would already be something.
I am a little bit deveived by your latest turnarounds. Since you were such a cool thinker in the past years. And now you condemn Vas without having consulted him.
Why not giving him the benefit of a doubt in the line of the best American tradition? Is he a murderer, a convicted stealer? Nope. There wasnt even a legal court case.
I dont say that there never was something but you are too smart to forget that having done something is not exactly what a real court trial in the end will hold against you. It's always about details. Like in science. And Here I know a bit what others perhaps dont.
In the train of a survey it is possible that your perception becomes biased because you are so certain that you already know the truth. So called blindness of professionals.
If you had respected all this already then fine by me. But perhaps you might admit that the public campaign as such cannot cause a perfect verdict. Because otherwise we could ask Bob Hyatt to tell us his position and in that line we could condemn people. We could do that, but do you think we should also do it?? Dont forget that Bob has no problem to utilize someone like kranium a condemned cheat and fraud. That is something I dont digest so easily. So judge my choice wouldnt be for Bob.
I think that our experts like you should be careful in such a hysterical situation and delay their verdict against a collegue to the time of a real court case. We dont have a lynch court where we now elect the verdict that gets the most votes.
Just consider for a moment that you were in Vasik's shoes, wouldnt you hope that people wouldnt condemn you on prejudicial evidence, but in a fair court trial?
It happens.