WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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kranium wrote:
CRoberson wrote: Because of that, you have no proof of its originality nor does anybody else other than the so called authors which don't have the balls to sign their names.
yes, i understand your only recourse is to insult them...
(but their masculinity?)

very sad...
it appears your baseless 'campaign to discredit' is reaching new lows.
It's low so you can see it Norman and if you have them, feel it! :P
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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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kranium wrote:
CRoberson wrote:
kranium wrote:
CRoberson wrote: Robo = ippo cleaned up a bit to make it more human readable.
PS-

it Robbo, not Robo (i.e. has nothing to do with robotics)
that being said, it makes perfect sense you are ignorant in these matters...

unfortunately, i can't produce a (more acceptable?) CCRL rating list comparing Ippolit vs Robbolito...know why?
because CCRL has never tested either engine!

why not one may ask? well, let's be perfectly honest Charles...
it's because people like you, Bob Hyatt, Don Dailey, Graham Banks, etc., etc. (i.e. the collective 'good-old-boys') have perpetrated an endless campaign to completely discredit anything associated with ippolit...and without any 'stitch'of proof of wrongdoing or illegality.

why?
i don't know, i don't undertand
perhaps you can answer that yourself if you try...

i can only speculate:
a pathetic and desperate need to eliminate ippolit from the reality that it exists and is valid...and is better than my engine?
Nothing published in Science is accepted without signature and references. Ippo has none of that. Because of that, you have no proof of its originality nor does anybody else other than the so called authors which don't have the balls to sign their names.
are the ippolit authors obliged to prove their originality?
isn't the 'onus' is upon you to prove wrongdoing...(innocent until proven guilty)

PS-
'signatures' and references...?
what are you talking about?
this is not a job application for a 'Nanny' position..

do you require such 'documents/proofs' for entry into the ACCC?
or are you just making stuff up as you go along?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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wgarvin wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote: You know what really gets me? I know the authors of the family of Ippo/Robbo/and all it's bothers and sisters are reading and even posting in this forum. I'm waiting for them to finally rip off their idiotic grinning masks for all of us instead of some of us to see. :lol:
I think it may be too late. If someone were to start claiming to be the original author of Ippolit or Robbolito, would anyone actually believe them?
You are absolutely correct. They have painted themselves into a corner.
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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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kranium wrote:
are the ippolit authors obliged to prove their originality?
isn't the 'onus' is upon you to prove wrongdoing...(innocent until proven guilty)

PS-
'signatures' and references...?
what are you talking about?
this is not a job application for a 'Nanny' position..

do you require such 'documents/proofs' for entry into the ACCA?
or are you just making stuff up as you go along?

Rule 2 has been there for years and it covers your question.
http://compchess.org/ACCAWCRCC/2011ACCAWCRCC/WCRCC.html

All entries must be entered by the author by doing so the author claims ownership and that his program is as original as the rules require. At that point, that is enough proof until somebody makes a complaint on its authenticity and they are required to have sufficient reason to make the claim. Note that "sufficient reason" doesn't mean undeniable proof.
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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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CRoberson wrote:
kranium wrote:
are the ippolit authors obliged to prove their originality?
isn't the 'onus' is upon you to prove wrongdoing...(innocent until proven guilty)

PS-
'signatures' and references...?
what are you talking about?
this is not a job application for a 'Nanny' position..

do you require such 'documents/proofs' for entry into the ACCA?
or are you just making stuff up as you go along?

Rule 2 has been there for years and it covers your question.
http://compchess.org/ACCAWCRCC/2011ACCAWCRCC/WCRCC.html

All entries must be entered by the author by doing so the author claims ownership and that his program is as original as the rules require. At that point, that is enough proof until somebody makes a complaint on its authenticity and they are required to have sufficient reason to make the claim. Note that "sufficient reason" doesn't mean undeniable proof.

yes!
what a tournament, very exciting

1 t Thinker -bwwbw -lqhga 011111 5
2 h Hannibal wbwbwb ragtcp 11101= 4.5
5 a Arasan bwbwwb shcpqt 10=110 3.5 21
3 c Crafty wbwbbw pqaghs 1===01 3.5 19.5
4 g Gaviota wbbwwb lrhctq 110=01 3.5 18.5
7 p Telepath bwwbbw csraih 01101= 3.5 16.5
6 q RedQueen -wbwbw -ctsag 1=0100 2.5
10 s Symbolic wbwbbb aplqrc 001010 2
11 r Parrot bwb-wb hgp-sl 000101 2
9 i Tinker ---bw- ---lp- 000100 1
8 l Plisk bwbw-w gtsi-r 000010 1

(as expected) congrats to Telepath for the fine finish!

Charles, in all due respect,
i'm quite sure you (as TD and program entrant) could pare the list of entrants even further for your benefit couldn't you?
what's wrong with 'open' formats?
(which i'm sure would meet with most users overwhelming approval?)

my point is:
(again, in all due respect...)
i have no doubt you're capable of creating tournament rules, and sorry to be so blunt...

is this tournament merely a showcase for Telepath?...
or about which (among all available) is the best chess engine?

if the latter, why such rigorous and overbearing entrance rules?
and why do you work so hard to discredit other engines?
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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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kranium wrote:
CRoberson wrote:
kranium wrote:
are the ippolit authors obliged to prove their originality?
isn't the 'onus' is upon you to prove wrongdoing...(innocent until proven guilty)

PS-
'signatures' and references...?
what are you talking about?
this is not a job application for a 'Nanny' position..

do you require such 'documents/proofs' for entry into the ACCA?
or are you just making stuff up as you go along?

Rule 2 has been there for years and it covers your question.
http://compchess.org/ACCAWCRCC/2011ACCAWCRCC/WCRCC.html

All entries must be entered by the author by doing so the author claims ownership and that his program is as original as the rules require. At that point, that is enough proof until somebody makes a complaint on its authenticity and they are required to have sufficient reason to make the claim. Note that "sufficient reason" doesn't mean undeniable proof.

yes!
what a tournament, very exciting

1 t Thinker -bwwbw -lqhga 011111 5
2 h Hannibal wbwbwb ragtcp 11101= 4.5
5 a Arasan bwbwwb shcpqt 10=110 3.5 21
3 c Crafty wbwbbw pqaghs 1===01 3.5 19.5
4 g Gaviota wbbwwb lrhctq 110=01 3.5 18.5
7 p Telepath bwwbbw csraih 01101= 3.5 16.5
6 q RedQueen -wbwbw -ctsag 1=0100 2.5
10 s Symbolic wbwbbb aplqrc 001010 2
11 r Parrot bwb-wb hgp-sl 000101 2
9 i Tinker ---bw- ---lp- 000100 1
8 l Plisk bwbw-w gtsi-r 000010 1

(as expected) congrats to Telepath for the fine finish!

Charles, in all due respect,
i'm quite sure you (as TD and program entrant) could pare the list of entrants even further for your benefit couldn't you?
I don't do the pairings. When the tournaments are on servers (which all have been) the pairing bots do the pairings. The pairing bots are automated and watched over by the TD who is supplied by the server. I am the organizer, not the TD, and an entrant. So, I have zero influence on the pairings.

I set things up that way on our first tournament so that nobody could justifiably make any claim of unfairness. Also, I wanted to enjoy the tournaments which is unlikely if you are in all three roles.

However, in that particular tournament the pairing bot crashed and couldn't be resurrected, so the TD paired the rest by hand. The TD was HGM not me. I've never been a TD in any of the ACCA tournaments. In that tournament the participation was restricted to a geographic region which limits the participants. Of course, we have another annual event which doesn't have any geographic limitations.
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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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CRoberson wrote:
kranium wrote:
CRoberson wrote:
kranium wrote:
are the ippolit authors obliged to prove their originality?
isn't the 'onus' is upon you to prove wrongdoing...(innocent until proven guilty)

PS-
'signatures' and references...?
what are you talking about?
this is not a job application for a 'Nanny' position..

do you require such 'documents/proofs' for entry into the ACCA?
or are you just making stuff up as you go along?

Rule 2 has been there for years and it covers your question.
http://compchess.org/ACCAWCRCC/2011ACCAWCRCC/WCRCC.html

All entries must be entered by the author by doing so the author claims ownership and that his program is as original as the rules require. At that point, that is enough proof until somebody makes a complaint on its authenticity and they are required to have sufficient reason to make the claim. Note that "sufficient reason" doesn't mean undeniable proof.

yes!
what a tournament, very exciting

1 t Thinker -bwwbw -lqhga 011111 5
2 h Hannibal wbwbwb ragtcp 11101= 4.5
5 a Arasan bwbwwb shcpqt 10=110 3.5 21
3 c Crafty wbwbbw pqaghs 1===01 3.5 19.5
4 g Gaviota wbbwwb lrhctq 110=01 3.5 18.5
7 p Telepath bwwbbw csraih 01101= 3.5 16.5
6 q RedQueen -wbwbw -ctsag 1=0100 2.5
10 s Symbolic wbwbbb aplqrc 001010 2
11 r Parrot bwb-wb hgp-sl 000101 2
9 i Tinker ---bw- ---lp- 000100 1
8 l Plisk bwbw-w gtsi-r 000010 1

(as expected) congrats to Telepath for the fine finish!

Charles, in all due respect,
i'm quite sure you (as TD and program entrant) could pare the list of entrants even further for your benefit couldn't you?
I don't do the pairings. When the tournaments are on servers (which all have been) the pairing bots do the pairings. The pairing bots are automated and watched over by the TD who is supplied by the server. I am the organizer, not the TD, and an entrant. So, I have zero influence on the pairings.

I set things up that way on our first tournament so that nobody could justifiably make any claim of unfairness. Also, I wanted to enjoy the tournaments which is unlikely if you are in all three roles.

However, in that particular tournament the pairing bot crashed and couldn't be resurrected, so the TD paired the rest by hand. The TD was HGM not me. I've never been a TD in any of the ACCA tournaments. In that tournament the participation was restricted to a geographic region which limits the participants. Of course, we have another annual event which doesn't have any geographic limitations.
Telepath has been around for sometime now...
my understanding is that it is (and always has been) a 'private' engine...

i suggest you release the source code for all to see.
clearly, since it is not strong...there is little or no risk the code would be plagiarized.

in this manner we can all see the exact measure of 'originality' (per your definition) it contains...
i think this would go quite far in confirming your credibility...

i think this is especially relevant seeing how you apparently have no issue demanding that 'ippolit' authors provide signatures/references, etc. proving their originality'...

i hope you don't resort to:
"i already have credibility....i'm one of the original CCC good-old-boys, organizing (questionable) American Championship tournaments for years ...etc."

the proof is in the pudding...please, put up or shut up.
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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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kranium wrote:
CRoberson wrote: Robo = ippo cleaned up a bit to make it more human readable.
wrong...
there's quite a bit more, (especially if you take time to look, and not simply rush to judgement, and post something because it serves your seemingly 'Elitist' agenda)

version 0.09
- The source code readability greatly improved, translations added and updated, indentation and white space usage unified and standardized
-All new features easy adjustable during compilation time by setting appropriate switches in robbolito.h
-Alignment of hash structures improved
-Improved bit scan functions
-Improved rand function
-New version of popcnt function as an option
-Cache prefetching added
-New smooth scaling of null move, inspired by Dann Corbit's idea, and modified for Robbolito
-Improved time management especially in time controls without increment and tournament. The basic TM from g3, improved with some ideas from e4 and from the anonymous author.

Ps-
here's the longest running rating list from Immortal...

Image

seems like Robbolito is well ahead...where did you get your info?
or is this just another part of the unending CCC 'good-old boys' misinformation campaign to discredit others?



First- I am not another CCC good old boy- whatever the f__k that means. Second- I have as much respect, maybe more- for the guys on Immortal as you do. I have seen a lot of rating lists- and this one is horseshit. Maybe you are headlining Robbo here- but you don't have the strongest IvanHoes even running in this match. You have Igorrit "v8" which is weaker than "v9" in the match. I could go on about the choices for an hour- there is no room for argument- I am a tester and I am right. This is all wacky as shit.

Plus the fact is it is ok and interesting- but I aint betting nothing on a list from 1'1" bullet. Don't trust results- some do- I do not. Not for analyzing an engine's strengths and weaknesses. Christ!


george


And if you are trying to tell me Ivanhoe T52E is the strongest version- you are pissing on my head and trying to tell me it is rainwater. Anything other than agreeing with that is no-go.
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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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CRoberson wrote:
kranium wrote:
are the ippolit authors obliged to prove their originality?
isn't the 'onus' is upon you to prove wrongdoing...(innocent until proven guilty)

PS-
'signatures' and references...?
what are you talking about?
this is not a job application for a 'Nanny' position..

do you require such 'documents/proofs' for entry into the ACCA?
or are you just making stuff up as you go along?

Rule 2 has been there for years and it covers your question.
http://compchess.org/ACCAWCRCC/2011ACCAWCRCC/WCRCC.html

All entries must be entered by the author by doing so the author claims ownership and that his program is as original as the rules require. At that point, that is enough proof until somebody makes a complaint on its authenticity and they are required to have sufficient reason to make the claim. Note that "sufficient reason" doesn't mean undeniable proof.
Sorry, are you the guy asking today this about the ratings/rankings?

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 56&start=0

You are a funny guy.

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Re: WCCC 2011 - Junior is the 2011 World Champion

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Norman, I can tell you within 7 or 6 elo the difference between the strongest IvanHoe and Komodo 3. And there is no way, I repeat NO WAY IvanHoe T52E is 68 elo stronger than Komodo 3- 32-bit nor 64-bit. Jesus!


george